Why McCain Is Getting Hosed in the Press

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hooskins

And by attacks I mean:
-Ayers
-Acorn
-"terrorist"(not his attack, but he should go farther to call out some of his crazy supporter)
-and now this "socialism" bullshit. It isn't spreading around wealth, if you tax more and put those dollars into things like schools, infrastructure, etc.

I dont see why people think Obama is going to take money from the rich, and go to the inner city an give that money directly to the poor. That is just a fabrication by the McCain campaign and it is bullshit. Very low.

I think the majority of educated America realize this and they are just sick of it.

Well maybe Obama can say it better. Not so low when your man admitts that is what he wants to do.

You Tube

[MTK]

LOL are you kidding firstdown? Just a few pages back you said

No I'm not watching another one of your videos. You made the statement so back it up.

And now you're posting a clip to make your point? Wow.

[saden1]

I'll go ahead and call Joe the Plumber a first class retard...hope no one is offended.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL are you kidding firstdown? Just a few pages back you said



And now you're posting a clip to make your point? Wow.

Hey no double standards here. I asked someone to explain their point. I was just making a point about what some said by showing Obama's actual words. You could humor me some sense its the first clip I have been able to get to post like this.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'll go ahead and call Joe the Plumber a first class retard...hope no one is offended.

Whats worse is the quote from the socialist Obama's view.
quote "If you spead the wealth around its a good thing"

Wow, who else have these same type of words come from?

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I didn't think it needed an explanation as I thought it was pretty obvious. Perhaps I was wrong in my assumption. Towelhead is generally considered offensive as it's commonly used in a deragatory manner towards Muslims or those of Arab origin. McRage is a joke about McCain's temper, and he has a well documented record of being a hothead. It was meant to be a joke, while towelhead is a racial and religious slur.

If you would like to offer up an opinion as to why you feel McRage is equally as offensive as towelhead, I'm all ears.

Now see, that's the kind of thinking I can get behind!

For the record I never claimed I thought calling Obama a "towelhead" was appropriate, I merely suggested it given the apparent pattern of calling McCain names with which nobody has a problem. Either way they're both juvenile.

And I completely agree that "towelhead" does tend to be more offensive than "McRage" and for all the reasons you stated. See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

[JWsleep]

What's really sad to me is that McCain prior to gearing up for this Presidential run really was a Senator who could reach across the aisle and cut through the BS. Since he tacked right in the primaries and brought on the Rovies, it's been nothing but name-calling and nonsense. The fact that we are debating over which is worse, McRage or Towel head, is well, nuts. The economy is is the tank. We've got armies in 2 very nasty parts of the world. China and India are emerging powers. Russia is resurgent. Health care is a mess. The housing market has collapsed, taking with it the equity of millions of Americans.

You can see why McCain is losing in the polls--Rovian 'business as usual' is not flying this time. And it's too late for McCain to change course. Too bad--if McCain had picked a decent centrist running mate, tacked to the CENTER (as he obviously should have in this election climate), and run an issue-based campaign, he just might have won. And I wouldn't have really minded that--it would have confirmed what has been best about John McC this last 20 some years. But he didn't. This is his bed, now he's got to lie in it. Maybe he'll pull off the big upset. But the country will be damaged from his campaign in any event, IMHO.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

McCain is many things, but a retard? Pretty harsh.

Ask saden what he thinks

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's totally ridiculous... and those that can't see it amaze me, or maybe they just refuse to see it which is probably worse. He's all over the map on issues from one minute to the next. I'm for tax cuts, now I'm against them, now I'm for them, I'm for gay marriage, now I'm not, now I am... etc.

But let's not act like Obama, or any successful politician, has had the same stance throughout their career on every issue.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's not act like Obama, or any successful politician, has had the same stance throughout their career on every issue.

Oh I know, I'm not saying that at all. With McCain it's just insane how back and forth he goes so quickly. I've honestly never seen something so bizarre.

So much for straight talk

YouTube - John McCain vs. John McCain

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's not act like Obama, or any successful politician, has had the same stance throughout their career on every issue.

I'd be terrified by anyone who was so close minded they would never recognize when they were in error and change their position.

I have no problem with either candidate refining their position and articulating the evolution of their beliefs. The hair trigger cries of "flip flopper" are really over done by both sides.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I'd be terrified by anyone who was so close minded they would never recognize when they were in error and change their position.

I have no problem with either candidate refining their position and articulating the evolution of their beliefs. The hair trigger cries of "flip flopper" are really over done by both sides.

I agree, one of the worst things you could want from a leader is stubbornness and inflexibility.

The flip flop term is so played out I don't think it even fazes people anymore.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Oh I know, I'm not saying that at all. With McCain it's just insane how back and forth he goes so quickly. I've honestly never seen something so bizarre.

So much for straight talk

YouTube - John McCain vs. John McCain

Didn't you post this video already? Or was that saden?

Either way, the problem is really that McCain really hasn't changed all that much. I mean in the sense that "straight talk" was always about "Hey, let's sit down and talk. And I'll give it to you straight what I'm thinking (at this moment, on this circumstance)." And everyone said wow that's great, a politician who doesn't feed me tired lines. The point of view might change over time, but that's straight talk. "I said a few months ago this, that, and the other...but I don't feel the same anymore. Here's why." But that doesn't fly when you're running for President.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But that doesn't fly when you're running for President.

Not if he's not your candidate of choice.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Whats worse is the quote from the socialist Obama's view.
quote "If you spead the wealth around its a good thing"

Wow, who else have these same type of words come from?

Err, I reckon you meant to spell "spread" rather than "spead" or at least that's what I'm going to assume here.

Who else has said this kind of thing? Most notably in my opinion is Warren Buffet. You may have heard he is one of the richest guys in America (well, depending on how much he's already given to charity). He is also the most modest, decent and wholeheartedly progressive member of America's billionaire club. Buffet has openly said countless times 1) the estate tax ought to be set where it was before Bush lowered it 2) the wealthy ought to be paying more taxes than they are today 3) the middle class and working class (which is really now the working poor) have not gotten a fair shake for a quarter century. But nothing he says is more poignant than the simple point he's consistently made about how deeply wrong it is for his secretary to be taxed at a higher rate than he, a multi-billionaire, is taxed.

But here's what I'd like someone to explain. When Buffet tells you and I that he thinks it's right for the rich to pay more taxes and the rest to pay less, how the hell does anyone not so fortunate to be truly rich say "thanks, but no thanks." First of all, I understand most of the rich have neither the integrity nor the courage to speak up the way Buffet has - most are simply thinking about their own self interest and nothing more and that's just human nature. But when regular folks support massive tax breaks and/or elite welfare for corporations and the richest Americans I just find myself speechless. I suppose these folks just hope they become billionaires one day and are thinking ahead so they don't get taxed too much down the road. Now that's f'ing retarded IMHO.