Which Current NFL Receiver Is Best for Us?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

ARE cannot be traded or released this off-season without incurring an $ 8.8M cap hit. Taking his salary off the books in only $ 2.7M, so we have a "dead-cap" number of $6.1M and we need to replace him. Not gonna happen.

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

There's been talk of Detroit looking to deal him, here are some links, valid or not:

Trade offer to Detroit Lions for Roy Willaims from Eagles

Don't expect Roy Williams to be traded - Detroit Lions: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com

If the Eagles get RW for Reggie Brown and a 4th I will flip my lid. Snyderatto needs to quit chasing Chad Johnson and get on this.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Roy Williams is one of the best WRs I've seen in years. I don't think it matters what system he's in, he'll shine.

I have some concerns about his attitude (and his knee) but I think Javon Walker on talent alone would be a better alternative than Hackett.

It's kind of a toss up for me between Williams or Walker

We're on the same page here. I do think Williams would be a better pick than Walker, but I'd go 1/2 on those guys as well.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I like Randle El...he's a good guy, has a positive personality, and is a decent WR. Problem is, decent wr's are not worth the money he's getting paid. He's extremely overpaid and I doubt we will ever see him do better than what he did last year. (career high 51 catches, 728 yards...btw- career low in PR avg at 6.1)

That being said, Roy Williams is without a doubt the best of the crew left in this poll. Roy Williams is 6'4" and I don't think I need to emphasize the importance of that. Plus he's only 26!!!! Having the injury issues that he had last year, he will likely come at a discounted rate. Sure he'll still be expensive, but not chad johnson expensive, and not the chad johnson head case either that I beleive to be a locker room cancer.
My ultimate scenario would be to get rid of the Randle El contract, pick up Williams, and let Mix have a shot at being our #3. I LOVE Santana, but he has shown that being a #1 is too much for him. To have him as a #2 is a perfect scenario.

I like the size and ability of Javon Walker, but not his injury issues either...but I would go for him 2nd. He's 6'3" 220lbs, and at that size, he'd be welcomed with open arms here. He has proven to be a big time WR, and the fact that he only played 8 games for Denver last year due to different ailments means his price will be low (as it was after he blew his knee out in GB back in 05).

I'm not a HUGE fan of Hackett, just a mild one. He has moderate size at 6'2", but his 199lbs is far from big. He has been in the league 3 years and has been injured for all of them, what's worse is that he played only 6 games last year. I do like the fact that he's a Zorn guy, and I would not be opposed to bringing him in at the right price, but as our #1 guy, or anyone's #1 guy for that matter, I am not sure he's capable.

Chad Johnson is a GREAT WR. No doubt about it, but (if we're not talking money) his biggest downfall is the fact that he loves himself and nothing else. He doesn't love football, he loves the money that football gives him. Chad is all about chad, and I don't want that presence in the Skins locker room. I can already see him getting upset at Campbell for not throwing the ball to him enough, or overthrowing him. Oh, and he's only 6'1" 192lbs...no thanks.

Bryant Johnson...well, he's hard to gauge. He has decent height at 6'2", and good weight at 214lbs. I have never seen him take over a game, or play at a high level. Maybe this is because he's always been behind better wr's. He's never had more than 7 catches in a game, and never had more than 87 yards in a game and he's played for 5 years (77 games). I feel he'd be another ho-hum wr for us and we have plenty of those, we need a game changer.

I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...

[celts32]

Why does everyone want to trade or cut ARE? Yes he's overpaid but we can't get in a time machine and reverse that decision. The cap dollars are what they are whether we cut him and take it all now or keep him and spread it out. We may as well keep him...this is not a Brandon Lloyd situation...ARE is a contributing player here.

[jsarno]

Oh yeah, Bernard Berrian and Ernest Wilford...forgot to mention these guys in my other posts.
Wilford is a big guy, 6'4" 218lbs (I think he's more, but he's listed at 218). I love his size, but he is nothing special...what's the point of bringing in a guy that large, when we already have one? Anthony Mix would be at worst, the same kind of player as Wilford, so to me this is a waste of money when Mix is sitting on our bench.

Berrian is 6'1", 190lbs. The hieght is average at best, and the wieght makes him a small WR. He's cut out of the same kind of mold as Moss and ARE...so why go for 3? Berrian is the perfect #2 WR behind a BIG WR. But put him with other small WR's, and he'll be useless.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

All the cap info is in the drop-down under Team at the top of the site. Any guaranteed money needs to count against the cap for either a trade or release. Otherwise you could have teams playing major games in trades to circumvent the salary cap.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...

The no thanks comment was for all of it, not just his size.
That being said, I do not think we need another average size WR, we already have 2 below average wr's. We need a BIG guy, and Chad is not that guy. My #1 reason for not wanting him is his attitude. #2 money. #3 attitude. #4 size. (You could substitute #4 with attitude and slide size to #5...size is the least of my worries with him)

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by celts32

Why does everyone want to trade or cut ARE? Yes he's overpaid but we can't get in a time machine and reverse that decision. The cap dollars are what they are whether we cut him and take it all now or keep him and spread it out. We may as well keep him...this is not a Brandon Lloyd situation...ARE is a contributing player here.

#1- Because he's extremely overpaid.
#2- because most of us aren't paying attention to cap implications at this point. I was not aware of his cap hit if traded until someone slingin sammy mentioned it.
#3- Are was a contributing factor due to lack of options. He had one game where he took over, other than that, he's been a complement player.

[SFREDSKIN]

They are currently on our roster, Espy and Anthony Mix. I would give this 2 guys a chance to compete, plus they are inexpensive. I seriously think that both can crack the roster and be very productive.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

Why does everyone want to trade or cut ARE? Yes he's overpaid but we can't get in a time machine and reverse that decision. The cap dollars are what they are whether we cut him and take it all now or keep him and spread it out. We may as well keep him...this is not a Brandon Lloyd situation...ARE is a contributing player here.

Because they don't understand the concept of cap hits.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

Releasing him would result in a cap hit as well.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

All the cap info is in the drop-down under Team at the top of the site. Any guaranteed money needs to count against the cap for either a trade or release. Otherwise you could have teams playing major games in trades to circumvent the salary cap.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it was there.
How did you come up with that figure on ARE then? Did you add this year's cap hit with next?
Also, how did you know what his cap hit would be if we straight cut him?

What would Lloyd's hit be if we cut / trade him?

(not understanding how you're getting those figures.)

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by jsarno

The no thanks comment was for all of it, not just his size.
That being said, I do not think we need another average size WR, we already have 2 below average wr's. We need a BIG guy, and Chad is not that guy. My #1 reason for not wanting him is his attitude. #2 money. #3 attitude. #4 size. (You could substitute #4 with attitude and slide size to #5...size is the least of my worries with him)

yea I hear what you are saying, theres more to chad that his size, but I dont think 6-3 is more important that 6-2 alone, an inch is easy to make up with jumping (vertical), and do they attack the ball, let the ball come to them, etc. Larry Fitz is my favorite receiver because he catches anythign adn fights for teh ball and twist and bends in weird ways to make the catch. Chad Johnson bring a lot to the table too when it comes to being a receiver, he makes some great catches. if a guy drops the ball who cares how tall he is ya know, or if he cant get to it. Lots of the big guys are slow.

but you said no thanks becuase of the receiver stuff, and teh money, attitude, etc. so the whoel package isnt what you are looking for.

since im a hurricane, so i like players with an attitude and swagger, i think being cocky makes them play harder. only because I watched guys like kellen winslow and shockey, who are clearly asses on the field and off, dominiate people with their play. theres lots of examples of classy guys succeeding too, i just didtn get to see that at the U, lol

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Releasing him would result in a cap hit as well.

That part I understand...I just didn't know that trading players left such a huge cap hit to us.
I do not make an effort at understanding the cap, I have just a very simplistic underdstanding of it. I need to learn more about now.