Gregg Williams has to go

Longtimefan · 11-21-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Yeah, the irony is people want to make all these widespread wholesale changes yet at the same time complain that the organization has no stability and patience

I really do not underdtand the constant contradiction. I concur with you that we constantly complain about the change and turnover leading to instability, but at the same time when things do not go as planned (or the way we think they should) we want to fire or get rid of someone we feel responsible. So far this season just about everyone associated with the team should be fired including the owner based on what I read here week in and week out. I guess it's just the frustration from loosing.

Southpaw · 11-21-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Yeah, the irony is people want to make all these widespread wholesale changes yet at the same time complain that the organization has no stability and patience

Agreed. It's like fans of the Redskins have adopted Snyder's approach at fixing problems. I don't get it.

And as far as Williams, I do think he should take the majority of the blame for the poor performance of the defense, since he's the one pulling the strings. I also think he should be the one to fix the problems. He's had several top ten defenses in his career, two in the three seasons he's been in Washington, so I don't think he has all of the sudden forgotten how to coach a defense.

70Chip · 11-21-2006, 12:58 PM

These overreactions represent the inability of some fans to accept and cope with loss. They do not want to admit that the team just plain sucks so they engage in absurd rationalizations. It's the QB, it's the coaches, it's the all-white unis.

Grow up and accept things the way they are. We suck, so enjoy the rest of the season for it's own sake. Williams may leave but he won't be fired. Saunders will not be fired. We probably will not be signing any big free-agents. We are looking at a multi-year process to restore our defense, develop Campbell, and become a contender again. Deal with it.

irish · 11-21-2006, 01:38 PM

The redskins dont do anything multi- year. That would require building on a foundation that has been laid and building slowly is something that this organization has proved over and over again it has no interest in doing.

BrunellMVP? · 11-21-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsLove24/7

Wow. Talk about jumping the gun here. Think of the past two seasons under GW. The defense has been lights out. We were all so happy when we inked him for an extension in the offseason. If anyone made mistakes it was Snyder going out and attempting to upgrade the defense when it either wasn't needed and basically didn't work. The problem this season seems to be basically just a lack of skill on defense. I don't think this is GW's fault. Letting him go could be the worst move the team could make at this point.

Lights out? last year? don't think so...the rankings system is flawed, the skins always give up a ton of yards at the most inopportune times...and points when we need a stand. this is how its been this year and last year. As for snyder's influence, true in the past, not true recently...Williams wanted these guys...he asked for them...
my whole problem with williams is that he refuses to alter his scheme to fit his players, rather he sticks to his ridged philosophy...the great coaches get the most out of their players...they design plans where their players can excel, williams (nor saunders- but i'll give him time) is not doing that. he's so blinded by his own genius that he won't do whats best for the team...which is to alter the system catered towards individual strengths.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2006, 02:42 PM

If we blow up our staff or roster AGAIN I'm going to have to choke someone.

The Zimmermans · 11-21-2006, 02:45 PM

I wouldn't put one person's reactoin to a bad season on the rest of us. No one really wants us to fire greg williams. ONE PERSON said that. Almost everyone has disagreed with that statement, there is no reason to change the coaching personnel. Most of the talk has been about getting better defensive talent, most fans would agree that we don't have enough talent on D.

BrunellMVP? · 11-21-2006, 03:58 PM

Carlos Rogers Again gave up big play after big play...terrible...

SmootSmack · 11-21-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If we blow up our staff or roster AGAIN I'm going to have to choke someone.

Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a b*tch

dmek25 · 11-21-2006, 04:15 PM

hahahaha

dall-assblows · 11-21-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oakland Red

Redskins Insider

Jason LaCanfora points out some of the serious mistakes that Gregg Williams has made in terms of personnel, and it seems that the defense is no longer playing hard under his leadership.

I think that Joe Gibbs is going to ask Williams to leave after the season. There isn't any way we can go forward with him at the helm. The players don't seem to respond to him, he has made some very poor personnel decisions, his fairness is in question, and the field tactics he uses may no longer be adequate.

thats re-tall-did

your an idiot

memphisskin · 11-21-2006, 05:13 PM

GW of course was overly confident about his ability to plug people in and have them contribute. This year he blew it, but he's had a lot more successes than failures. Pierce was a backup outside linebacker stuck behind LaVar before GW. Matt Bowen was just as bad as AA in coverage and even worse in run support before GW came here, and before Bowen broke his leg he was leading the team in sacks. Cornelius Griffin, stud. Marcus Washington, stud. Shawn Sprins, stud. I mean did anyone outside of DC and his immediate family even know who Pierce was before GW? Or Ryan Clark?

I'm for stability, because I can't think of a single team that won with a revolving door. Even the Fire Sale Florida Marlins keep a team together for a few years and THEN dump folks. To think we could have kept Ryan Clark for less than AA's bonus makes me ill. But it makes sense, the revenues that Snyder brings in allows him to have this "Fugg u, I'll go get someone better" mentality.

I think the problem with our defense is that we have too many fat cats on defense. Fat cats would rather just eat and enjoy being fat, they aren't good at catching mice because they know they'll get fed regardless. But you get a skinny cat, feed him the bare minimum, and his instinct to eat will take over. Same with GW's defense. The principles haven't changed, full bore intensity, swarming the ball, giving urself up on every play so the team as a whole can succeed. But Snyder has set the tone here, he pays free agents and not Redskins, so its tough to get guys to really lay it on the line. I totally buy Snyder saying "we've learned our lesson" and then making AA the highest paid safefty in history.

We are our own worst enemy.

SouperMeister · 11-21-2006, 05:25 PM

I believe it would be a major mistake for Gibbs to relieve either Williams or Saunders. The guys who should go are Gibbs cronies and hangers-on (Breaux, Simmons, etc). There are entirely too many cooks in the kitchen. If anything, let's keep coordinators in place for more than a couple seasons, find out which players want to be part of the solution, and rebuild from the trenches out via THE DRAFT. Missing on draft picks is far less damaging to the cap situation than missing on high priced free agents.

Beemnseven · 11-21-2006, 06:13 PM

Here's the problem with the defense...

Cornelius Griffin: He's old. He was hot his first year in NY, then fizzled. The same thing is happening here.

Joe Salave'a: He's old. He was out of football for nearly two years. He would have been fine in rotation, but he's too old, and to often injured to be a full time starter at D-tackle.

Philip Daniels: He's old. He was a castoff from another team. Save for his explosion against Dallas last year, he's been taking up space.

Renaldo Wynn: He was old like three seasons ago. Can anyone explain to me how he's still on the team? Oh wait ... that's right. He’s a great leader.

Andre Carter: He's a bust. And please, PLEASE – spare me the newest line of B.S. that the reason he's not getting sacks is because of the D-tackles. He averaged 4.5 sacks a year in San Fran, and it's doubtful he’ll get that much in Washington.

Shawn Springs: Guess what? He's old too. I know he's a fan favorite, as are many on this list. But it’s time to face facts – most guys who play in this league cannot be competitive well past their 40's like Darrell Green was. Something tells me that there are people in this organization who believe they can count on Springs for the next ten years without missing a beat. He can't.

I’m not saying Williams is blameless. Any team with a record of 3-7 have coaches with some 'splaining to do. But when you're entire defensive line is old, your top cornerback is old, and the other corner is turning out to be a complete bust, you will have a bad defense. It's that simple. When Gregg Williams has the "Director of Player Personnel" behind his name, then we can talk about canning him.

Until then, let's lay off Gregg Williams.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

When Gregg Williams has the "Director of Player Personnel" behind his name, then we can talk about canning him.

Until then, let's lay off Gregg Williams.

I have repeatedly defended Williams and will continue to do so. However, as the Post recently pointed out, Williams' hands are all over the personnel decisions.

11-21-2006, 12:58 PM	#48
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Gregg Williams has to go These overreactions represent the inability of some fans to accept and cope with loss. They do not want to admit that the team just plain sucks so they engage in absurd rationalizations. It's the QB, it's the coaches, it's the all-white unis. Grow up and accept things the way they are. We suck, so enjoy the rest of the season for it's own sake. Williams may leave but he won't be fired. Saunders will not be fired. We probably will not be signing any big free-agents. We are looking at a multi-year process to restore our defense, develop Campbell, and become a contender again. Deal with it. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

11-21-2006, 01:38 PM	#49
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Gregg Williams has to go The redskins dont do anything multi- year. That would require building on a foundation that has been laid and building slowly is something that this organization has proved over and over again it has no interest in doing.

11-21-2006, 02:42 PM	#51
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Gregg Williams has to go If we blow up our staff or roster AGAIN I'm going to have to choke someone.

11-21-2006, 02:45 PM	#52
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Gregg Williams has to go I wouldn't put one person's reactoin to a bad season on the rest of us. No one really wants us to fire greg williams. ONE PERSON said that. Almost everyone has disagreed with that statement, there is no reason to change the coaching personnel. Most of the talk has been about getting better defensive talent, most fans would agree that we don't have enough talent on D. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-21-2006, 03:58 PM	#53
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Carlos Rogers Again gave up big play after big play...terrible... __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

11-21-2006, 04:15 PM	#55
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Gregg Williams has to go hahahaha __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

11-21-2006, 05:13 PM	#57
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Gregg Williams has to go GW of course was overly confident about his ability to plug people in and have them contribute. This year he blew it, but he's had a lot more successes than failures. Pierce was a backup outside linebacker stuck behind LaVar before GW. Matt Bowen was just as bad as AA in coverage and even worse in run support before GW came here, and before Bowen broke his leg he was leading the team in sacks. Cornelius Griffin, stud. Marcus Washington, stud. Shawn Sprins, stud. I mean did anyone outside of DC and his immediate family even know who Pierce was before GW? Or Ryan Clark? I'm for stability, because I can't think of a single team that won with a revolving door. Even the Fire Sale Florida Marlins keep a team together for a few years and THEN dump folks. To think we could have kept Ryan Clark for less than AA's bonus makes me ill. But it makes sense, the revenues that Snyder brings in allows him to have this "Fugg u, I'll go get someone better" mentality. I think the problem with our defense is that we have too many fat cats on defense. Fat cats would rather just eat and enjoy being fat, they aren't good at catching mice because they know they'll get fed regardless. But you get a skinny cat, feed him the bare minimum, and his instinct to eat will take over. Same with GW's defense. The principles haven't changed, full bore intensity, swarming the ball, giving urself up on every play so the team as a whole can succeed. But Snyder has set the tone here, he pays free agents and not Redskins, so its tough to get guys to really lay it on the line. I totally buy Snyder saying "we've learned our lesson" and then making AA the highest paid safefty in history. We are our own worst enemy.

11-21-2006, 05:25 PM	#58
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Gregg Williams has to go I believe it would be a major mistake for Gibbs to relieve either Williams or Saunders. The guys who should go are Gibbs cronies and hangers-on (Breaux, Simmons, etc). There are entirely too many cooks in the kitchen. If anything, let's keep coordinators in place for more than a couple seasons, find out which players want to be part of the solution, and rebuild from the trenches out via THE DRAFT. Missing on draft picks is far less damaging to the cap situation than missing on high priced free agents.

11-21-2006, 06:13 PM	#59
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Here's the problem with the defense... Cornelius Griffin: He's old. He was hot his first year in NY, then fizzled. The same thing is happening here. Joe Salave'a: He's old. He was out of football for nearly two years. He would have been fine in rotation, but he's too old, and to often injured to be a full time starter at D-tackle. Philip Daniels: He's old. He was a castoff from another team. Save for his explosion against Dallas last year, he's been taking up space. Renaldo Wynn: He was old like three seasons ago. Can anyone explain to me how he's still on the team? Oh wait ... that's right. He’s a great leader. Andre Carter: He's a bust. And please, PLEASE – spare me the newest line of B.S. that the reason he's not getting sacks is because of the D-tackles. He averaged 4.5 sacks a year in San Fran, and it's doubtful he’ll get that much in Washington. Shawn Springs: Guess what? He's old too. I know he's a fan favorite, as are many on this list. But it’s time to face facts – most guys who play in this league cannot be competitive well past their 40's like Darrell Green was. Something tells me that there are people in this organization who believe they can count on Springs for the next ten years without missing a beat. He can't. I’m not saying Williams is blameless. Any team with a record of 3-7 have coaches with some 'splaining to do. But when you're entire defensive line is old, your top cornerback is old, and the other corner is turning out to be a complete bust, you will have a bad defense. It's that simple. When Gregg Williams has the "Director of Player Personnel" behind his name, then we can talk about canning him. Until then, let's lay off Gregg Williams.

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