At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

It is all about the rings on Gibbs hands.

As a result, there is only one person who is in a position to call for Joe Gibbs to resign:

Mrs. Gibbs.

Dan Snyder isn't going to. Some bitter reporters and talk show hosts might, but who cares.

From what I've read so far, or at least in this thread, no one here is calling for him to resign.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

From what I've read so far, or at least in this thread, no one here is calling for him to resign.

I listened to a segment of the Brian Mitchell radio show yesterday, and he was having listeners call in about whether Gibbs should be fired. More than half of the people calling in said Gibbs SHOULD be fired. You have to have the football IQ of broccoli to think that firing Gibbs is the answer... dumbass's

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

It is all about the rings on Gibbs hands.

As a result, there is only one person who is in a position to call for Joe Gibbs to resign:

Mrs. Gibbs.

Dan Snyder isn't going to. Some bitter reporters and talk show hosts might, but who cares.

Could you imagine being Dan Snyder in this situation? I mean put aside any hatred you may have for the man (and by you, I mean the general Warpath public, not you specifically RiggoRules). Just think of what it would be like to idolize someone growing up and the next thing you know you're his boss. I couldn't fathom that. Having a "hero" report to me. And then face the possibility of having to make a hard decision like saying he's not getting the job done

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Could you imagine being Dan Snyder in this situation? I mean put aside any hatred you may have for the man (and by you, I mean the general Warpath public, not you specifically RiggoRules). Just think of what it would be like to idolize someone growing up and the next thing you know you're his boss. I couldn't fathom that. Having a "hero" report to me. And then face the possibility of having to make a hard decision like saying he's not getting the job done

Glad you clarified that, Tafkas. I'm actually in the minority who (while certainly disagreeing with a number of his decisions) has nothing but respect for Snyder.

That said, you are 100% correct. Being the boss of someone who isn't just a hero to you but a hero to a very large percentage of your customers -- that would be major stress.

[CrazyCanuck]

Never.

[skinsguy]

Keep in mind, Joe Gibbs's plan for this team was to rebuild the franchise. That is his number one goal. However, he also wanted to find a group of guys he felt could give the redskins the best chance to win now. I think what Gibbs is finding difficult is the fact that while you can go out and get just about any guy you want, it's hard to keep some of the good guys you already have.

I truly believe that the benefits we reap from Gibbs will probably become known after Gibbs steps aside. Not that Gibbs can't make those players win, but that it may take a year or two past Gibbs' contract in order to finish the development.

Again, I think we're just in the age of instant gradification. If it doesn't work right away, we need to trash it all and start all over again. For some who say we need to get a new coach, and I realize it's not many saying that, keep in mind that getting a new head coach means getting a whole new coaching staff (more than likely) and getting rid of players who don't fit the system, etc.....this is something I want this franchise to finally avoid.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Keep in mind, Joe Gibbs's plan for this team was to rebuild the franchise. That is his number one goal. However, he also wanted to find a group of guys he felt could give the redskins the best chance to win now. I think what Gibbs is finding difficult is the fact that while you can go out and get just about any guy you want, it's hard to keep some of the good guys you already have.

I truly believe that the benefits we reap from Gibbs will probably become known after Gibbs steps aside. Not that Gibbs can't make those players win, but that it may take a year or two past Gibbs' contract in order to finish the development.

Again, I think we're just in the age of instant gradification. If it doesn't work right away, we need to trash it all and start all over again. For some who say we need to get a new coach, and I realize it's not many saying that, keep in mind that getting a new head coach means getting a whole new coaching staff (more than likely) and getting rid of players who don't fit the system, etc.....this is something I want this franchise to finally avoid.

Instant gratification? At the beginning of the '07 campaign Gibbs will have two more years left on his contract. So you have to figure, things will have to start cooking real soon for the Redskins.

[memphisskin]

I think the question isn't "Is Gibbs getting the job done" but rather, "Is the franchise in better shape now than before Gibbs took over?"

The answer would have to be yes. We're better across the board, and in fact the frustration that we all feel is fueled by the fact that we believe that the Skins are better.

A skins fan calling for Gibbs' resignation, its a little early for that. I don't want to get back on the coaching carousel. I agree the lack of an offensive identity is a little puzzling and most certainly frustrating, but I like the stability of having Coach Gibbs back.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Instant gratification? At the beginning of the '07 campaign Gibbs will have two more years left on his contract. So you have to figure, things will have to start cooking real soon for the Redskins.

Yes, instant gratification. We have to have fast food, faster cars, faster internet, faster computers.... it's the nature of how people live in these times...especially with the internet where any and all information is a button click away. The NFL is no different. Free agency can instantly transform some teams from last to first...building a team from ground up is not as popular as it once was, but building it from the ground up the right way - I believe - allows a franchise to be good for years to come.

I'd rather not have a Super Bowl season this year and know that the next ten years would be a repeat of the 90's, and have a team that is a Super Bowl caliber team for the next 10 years.

[hooskins]

Honestly guys, how much more success have we had with all the other coaches??? Atleast with Gibbs we went to the playoffs, and the players and the fans believe in something.

This is a stupid thread.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Honestly guys, how much more success have we had with all the other coaches??? Atleast with Gibbs we went to the playoffs, and the players and the fans believe in something.

This is a stupid thread.

That's precisely the point. If there's no improvement on offense next year, this "belief" that you are getting all wet about ...misplaced may be (as Yoda would say). No one on this thread is calling for Gibbs' head, yet.

[freddyg12]

brian billick - offensive genius w/poor offense
m. Lewis - def. guru w/poor defense
tuna - discipinarian whose team is among league leaders in penalties & who is just over .500 since coaching cowpokes
j. gruden - struggling O even when simms was healthy

Gibbs' offenses have struggled, but made great strides last year & we went to the 2nd rnd. Just take a look around the league & run the numbers on any given coach. Aside from Bellicheck, Reid, Shanahan & maybe Cowher, ups & downs are the norm in today's nfl. Even those guys had down years, see Philly last year & Pitt this year. Mike Holmgren was about to lose his job, then went to a super bowl.
The days of Gibbs I, Landry, B.Grant & Chuck Noll are long over. Its a lot harder to maintain a winning record & continuity for a long career. Bottom line, Gibbs got us back in the playoffs & had people talkin super bowl. Even if this year we don't make the playoffs, if JC turns out to be the real deal, Gibbs will have given us stability that we haven't seen since he left. If I have to lose, I'll lose w/Gibbs anyday before letting snyder open his checkbook to the next savior.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

brian billick - offensive genius w/poor offense
m. Lewis - def. guru w/poor defense
tuna - discipinarian whose team is among league leaders in penalties & who is just over .500 since coaching cowpokes
j. gruden - struggling O even when simms was healthy

Gibbs' offenses have struggled, but made great strides last year & we went to the 2nd rnd. Just take a look around the league & run the numbers on any given coach. Aside from Bellicheck, Reid, Shanahan & maybe Cowher, ups & downs are the norm in today's nfl. Even those guys had down years, see Philly last year & Pitt this year. Mike Holmgren was about to lose his job, then went to a super bowl.
The days of Gibbs I, Landry, B.Grant & Chuck Noll are long over. Its a lot harder to maintain a winning record & continuity for a long career. Bottom line, Gibbs got us back in the playoffs & had people talkin super bowl. Even if this year we don't make the playoffs, if JC turns out to be the real deal, Gibbs will have given us stability that we haven't seen since he left. If I have to lose, I'll lose w/Gibbs anyday before letting snyder open his checkbook to the next savior.

Very well said!

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

brian billick - offensive genius w/poor offense
m. Lewis - def. guru w/poor defense
tuna - discipinarian whose team is among league leaders in penalties & who is just over .500 since coaching cowpokes
j. gruden - struggling O even when simms was healthy

Gibbs' offenses have struggled, but made great strides last year & we went to the 2nd rnd. Just take a look around the league & run the numbers on any given coach. Aside from Bellicheck, Reid, Shanahan & maybe Cowher, ups & downs are the norm in today's nfl. Even those guys had down years, see Philly last year & Pitt this year. Mike Holmgren was about to lose his job, then went to a super bowl.
The days of Gibbs I, Landry, B.Grant & Chuck Noll are long over. Its a lot harder to maintain a winning record & continuity for a long career. Bottom line, Gibbs got us back in the playoffs & had people talkin super bowl. Even if this year we don't make the playoffs, if JC turns out to be the real deal, Gibbs will have given us stability that we haven't seen since he left. If I have to lose, I'll lose w/Gibbs anyday before letting snyder open his checkbook to the next savior.

If we stink it up again next year, and Belichik were available as a coach, what would you do? What if Andy Reid were available? I guess the question is, which current generation coach (as opposed to old school - Parcells, Marty, etc.) would you take over Gibbs?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

If we stink it up again next year, and Belichik were available as a coach, what would you do? What if Andy Reid were available? I guess the question is, which current generation coach (as opposed to old school - Parcells, Marty, etc.) would you take over Gibbs?

that's a good question. I don't think Bellicheck would succeed in Danny's mgmt. style, unless he got full control a la Marty. If I'd take anyone though, I'd take Bellicheck, but I'd honestly rather see Gibbs, a true Redskin, coach our team.
What is another interesting scenario is if Gibbs decided to hire a head coach & simply serve as team president. I know GW is already in line, but it's possible that Gibbs might not actually coach his last 2 years, but still remain w/the team & fulfill his contract.