The Zidane Incident

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Big C

i hate it when idiots like dr. z try and write about soccer when they dont have a clue, having to compare it to football, it doesnt work.

dont see how people can say soccer is boring and love to watch baseball to be honest...

Z's right though. The whole reason players flop so much in soccer is because players get red cards and get thrown out of the entire game if they lash out. If you can make a little hip check look like a major takedown, then you can gain a serious advantage for your team. Hence the whole stretcher thing, the more they make it look like a serious injury, the better chance the ref has of pulling the red card. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

Soccer needs to get rid of that stupid rule. In the NFL players take swipes at each other and get 15-yard flags. It's hard to get ejected. In baseball, if you throw at a guy's head you'll usually get a warning. Soccer's automatic ejections for stuff like this give a big advantage to the other team, so no wonder you have a bunch of guys flopping around like a bunch of vaginas.

I mean why not do it like hockey? You take a swing at someone, you get a 5-minute major. Sit out for 5 minutes and get back in there. Having a one-man advantage for an entire game swings the outcome of the game way too much. Should one moment of indiscretion affect an entire team's chances of winning THAT much? It's the rules that are causing those guys to flop around like a bunch of limp-wristed girly-men.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Maybe Strahan doesn't get booted from the game for a helmet-to-helmet head butt, but he would if he spat on his opponent. Zidane's headbutt is like Taylor's spit.

He would also get thrown out if he threw a punch. I don't care if you think that the italian guy flopped or over-reacted, that headbutt would hurt like hell.

I said before, Zidane obviously knows how to use his head to his advantage from years of playing soccer.
Also, the italian was running into it, which probably increased the force of the impact.
And, third, Zidane actually could have literally killed him with that shot. I know it sounds like I'm being dramatic, but it could have stopped his heart. A year or two ago the captain for Cornell's Lax team was killed when he took a ball to the chest because it caused his heart to stop. Likewise, I remember reading a few years ago that some drunk friends were trying to see who could withstand the hardest punch to the chest. One of them died when his sternum cracked and stopped his heart.

I just feel like the more I see that hit the worse it gets.

soccer is still pretty boring though

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Maybe Strahan doesn't get booted from the game for a helmet-to-helmet head butt, but he would if he spat on his opponent. Zidane's headbutt is like Taylor's spit.

Yeah, and I'm on record saying Taylor shouldn't have been ejected for that. But I'm not going to go there again.

There is a difference though. When Taylor was sent out, we could replace him with Prioleau. When Zidane went out, Italy got a one-man advantage FOR THE REST OF THE GAME. It has too great an affect on the outcome.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah, and I'm on record saying Taylor shouldn't have been ejected for that. But I'm not going to go there again.

There is a difference though. When Taylor was sent out, we could replace him with Prioleau. When Zidane went out, Italy got a one-man advantage FOR THE REST OF THE GAME. It has too great an affect on the outcome.

That's all the more reason that Zidane should have been smarter about the whole thing.

[Schneed10]

I said before, Zidane obviously knows how to use his head to his advantage from years of playing soccer.
Also, the italian was running into it, which probably increased the force of the impact.
And, third, Zidane actually could have literally killed him with that shot. I know it sounds like I'm being dramatic, but it could have stopped his heart. A year or two ago the captain for Cornell's Lax team was killed when he took a ball to the chest because it caused his heart to stop. Likewise, I remember reading a few years ago that some drunk friends were trying to see who could withstand the hardest punch to the chest. One of them died when his sternum cracked and stopped his heart.

I just feel like the more I see that hit the worse it gets.

soccer is still pretty boring though[/quote]

That's definitely pretty dramatic. You know the odds on that happening? That's like me dressing in rubber clothing everytime I go out in a thunderstorm for fear of getting hit by lightning.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

That's all the more reason that Zidane should have been smarter about the whole thing.

Oh yeah, no doubt. He should know the rules and he's a moron. I can't fault the Italian for trying to instigate. And Zidane should know that a red-card would basically end his chances at winning. He knows the rules and he should play by them.

But I hate that rule. It's ridiculous. One act and you're gone for the whole game, man-advantage for the other team. That's not soccer, it becomes a game of who can piss the other players off to the point where they lash out. Pretty lame.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's definitely pretty dramatic. You know the odds on that happening? That's like me dressing in rubber clothing everytime I go out in a thunderstorm for fear of getting hit by lightning.

Maybe saying he could have killed him is going a bit overboard, but he definitely could have cracked his sternum. I knew a kid in high school that cracked his own sternum during a wrestling match on a simple take down. If you hit it right it's going to crack, and that headbutt realy could have done some damage.

Plus, I feel like that incident was seperate from all the obvious flopping that goes on in soccer. No matter how you look at it, Zidane blatantly broke the rules and he had to face the consequences for that. Also, the ref has to kick a player out for an action like that in order to maintain order in the game. If Zidane had been allowed to stay in I'd be willing to bet a ton that a fight would have quickly broken out.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Maybe saying he could have killed him is going a bit overboard, but he definitely could have cracked his sternum. I knew a kid in high school that cracked his own sternum during a wrestling match on a simple take down. If you hit it right it's going to crack, and that headbutt realy could have done some damage.

Plus, I feel like that incident was seperate from all the obvious flopping that goes on in soccer. No matter how you look at it, Zidane blatantly broke the rules and he had to face the consequences for that. Also, the ref has to kick a player out for an action like that in order to maintain order in the game. If Zidane had been allowed to stay in I'd be willing to bet a ton that a fight would have quickly broken out.

You're right. I agree that specific incident merited an ejection. It was a blatant attack on a player. A physical attack like that is worse than spitting and deserves an ejection.

I guess I just take issue with the rule in general. It's set up to encourage instigation of this type of response. I think Soccer should do it like either Football or Hockey. If you're going to eject a player for something like this, let the team replace him, don't give a man-advantage for the rest of the game. Or at least have a penaty box where you have the man-advantage for only 5 or 10 minutes.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Do you have to pay per pound to keep them at all? When I was in Hawaii we had to pay a fee to keep some of them.

In Virginia we have to have a fishing license and for some fish there is a limit per person. Like for flounder they have a minimun size of 16 1/2 inches and a maximum of 6 fish per person. Most days we do not catch our limits we just had a good day.

[SmootSmack]

Did you know they're considering injecting trout with creatine to make sport fishing more "challenging".

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Did you know they're considering injecting trout with creatine to make sport fishing more "challenging".

juiced up fish??

sounds like a bad fishing story to me.

[Monkeydad]

I heard the boneheaded Frenchie won the Golden Ball Outstanding Player award for the World Cup.

He lost the championship for his team because he's an immature and violent fool..and they say he's the best player.

YET MORE proof that soccer is pathetic!

[Monkeydad]

Here it is...he got the Golden Ball.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

[Monkeydad]

HA! The "MVP" scored 3 goals in the whole tournament. He as many yellow cards as goals, and a red card on top of that.

Soccer is dumb. I'm ready for REAL football in the news.

[12thMan]

The main sponsors of soccor icon Zinedine Zidane rallied around the retiring France Football captain on Tuesday despite his dismissal for head-butting an opponent in the closing stages of Sunday's World Cup Final. Sponsors from food group Danone to German sports goods giants Adidas rushed to support the man who fired France to victory in the 1998 World Cup.

Adidas, Zidane's long time sponser, said they are launching a website so that fans can perosnally thank him. They also said that he has been their ambassador for the past 10 years and will remain so through 2017. In fact, and I'm quoting Reuters, they said he can remain as long as he wishes.

This guy makes $11 million dollars a year from endorsements!! Wow!