Marcus Vick's new team?

[Daseal]

I'll take the over. If there's one thing that can change your direction in the court systems, it's having money. Vick won't go to jail unless he kills someone. Even then...

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Bozzy

Jesus fucking Christ, the kid made a mistake. Let him correct himself. Quit playa hating.

Ok, just to recap and make sure we're all doing the same math:

"a mistake" =

Sept. 2, 2003 — Suspended for one game by coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason.
Feb. 17, 2004 — Arrested without incident and charged with four misdemeanors — three for allegedly allowing the underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond.
May 14, 2004 — Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250. Found innocent of having sex with the 15-year-old.
July 3, 2004 — Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop about 25 miles east of Richmond at 2:30 a.m. Police said he was clocked at 86 mph, 21 mph above the speed limit, and that the vehicle stunk of marijuana.
July 6, 2004 — Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems.
Aug. 3, 2004 — Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleads guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession in New Kent. Is fined $300, has driver's license suspended for 60 days and is placed in a first offender program on the marijuana charge, requiring that he perform 24 hours of community service, undergo drug counseling and random drug tests, and give up his driver's license for six months.
Oct. 1, 2005 — Leads No. 3 Hokies to 34-20 victory at West Virginia, and makes obscene gesture to fans who have been calling him names related to past problems throughout the game. He apologized a day later.
Dec. 17, 2005 - Stopped for speeding and driving with a revoked or suspended license in Hampton, VA
Jan. 2, 2006 — Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of Cardinals All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA sacks leader. Claims the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denies ever receiving apology.
Jan. 6, 2006 — Is kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl.
Jan. 9, 2006 - Arrested on charges of brandishing a firearm in McDonald's parking lot, and generally being a dick. (Okay, we made that last part up, but after you read everything else above, it sort of follows doesn't it?)

Ok, that's all. Just wanted to make sure that everyone is on the same page as to what constitutes "a mistake."

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Big C

miami=place marcus vick shouldnt go. he needs to go to a quiet town like green bay or buffalo or something where its not as easy to get distracted and get into trouble. maybe like a kansas city or something. south beach will get him into trouble if he stays with miami

Actually he'd probably feel right at home and blend in pretty well, what with Miami being the drug capital of the U.S. and having a homicide rate three times the national average.

Hell, he could stomp on the legs of all sorts of people, screw high school chicks and maybe even bust a cap in a few McDonalds employees and nobody would probably notice.

[GTripp0012]

Somebody has to be the opening day QB for Miami. If Joey Harrington is the other option, then why not Marcus Vick?

If I had to pick between them, I'd take Joey, but if I'm Saban I don't trade a 4th rounder for a guy like Harrington if I can get a Cleo Lemon or a Marcus Vick ready, why would I trade for Harrington?

Of course, Culpepper could be ready, and then none of this means anything.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Ok, just to recap and make sure we're all doing the same math:

"a mistake" =

Sept. 2, 2003 — Suspended for one game by coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason.
Feb. 17, 2004 — Arrested without incident and charged with four misdemeanors — three for allegedly allowing the underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond.
May 14, 2004 — Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250. Found innocent of having sex with the 15-year-old.
July 3, 2004 — Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop about 25 miles east of Richmond at 2:30 a.m. Police said he was clocked at 86 mph, 21 mph above the speed limit, and that the vehicle stunk of marijuana.
July 6, 2004 — Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems.
Aug. 3, 2004 — Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleads guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession in New Kent. Is fined $300, has driver's license suspended for 60 days and is placed in a first offender program on the marijuana charge, requiring that he perform 24 hours of community service, undergo drug counseling and random drug tests, and give up his driver's license for six months.
Oct. 1, 2005 — Leads No. 3 Hokies to 34-20 victory at West Virginia, and makes obscene gesture to fans who have been calling him names related to past problems throughout the game. He apologized a day later.
Dec. 17, 2005 - Stopped for speeding and driving with a revoked or suspended license in Hampton, VA
Jan. 2, 2006 — Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of Cardinals All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA sacks leader. Claims the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denies ever receiving apology.
Jan. 6, 2006 — Is kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl.
Jan. 9, 2006 - Arrested on charges of brandishing a firearm in McDonald's parking lot, and generally being a dick. (Okay, we made that last part up, but after you read everything else above, it sort of follows doesn't it?)

Ok, that's all. Just wanted to make sure that everyone is on the same page as to what constitutes "a mistake."

LOL, "It's funny 'cause it's true."

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Ok, just to recap and make sure we're all doing the same math:

"a mistake" =

Sept. 2, 2003 — Suspended for one game by coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason.
Feb. 17, 2004 — Arrested without incident and charged with four misdemeanors — three for allegedly allowing the underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond.
May 14, 2004 — Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250. Found innocent of having sex with the 15-year-old.
July 3, 2004 — Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop about 25 miles east of Richmond at 2:30 a.m. Police said he was clocked at 86 mph, 21 mph above the speed limit, and that the vehicle stunk of marijuana.
July 6, 2004 — Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems.
Aug. 3, 2004 — Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleads guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession in New Kent. Is fined $300, has driver's license suspended for 60 days and is placed in a first offender program on the marijuana charge, requiring that he perform 24 hours of community service, undergo drug counseling and random drug tests, and give up his driver's license for six months.
Oct. 1, 2005 — Leads No. 3 Hokies to 34-20 victory at West Virginia, and makes obscene gesture to fans who have been calling him names related to past problems throughout the game. He apologized a day later.
Dec. 17, 2005 - Stopped for speeding and driving with a revoked or suspended license in Hampton, VA
Jan. 2, 2006 — Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of Cardinals All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA sacks leader. Claims the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denies ever receiving apology.
Jan. 6, 2006 — Is kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl.
Jan. 9, 2006 - Arrested on charges of brandishing a firearm in McDonald's parking lot, and generally being a dick. (Okay, we made that last part up, but after you read everything else above, it sort of follows doesn't it?)

Ok, that's all. Just wanted to make sure that everyone is on the same page as to what constitutes "a mistake."

Impressive record keeping/chronology.
I would add that the last charge was reduced, he was never convicted of having a gun. He said that he made a move w/his hand in his jacket pocket to make the guy think he had a gun.
As for the last statement, I won't take up for him too much, but I don't think he seems like a bad kid, he's just immature & maybe a bit insecure. If he wants to play pro ball he's gonna have to get used to all kinds of criticism & taunting. He'll have to ignore some things better than he did at the WVU game (though I don't know that there's any place in the nfl that has fans that unruly).
He says that he & Dumervil talked & he apologized for the stomp incident. I personally don't put too much stock in the drug/underage girl issues, other than it shows that he hasn't handled his inadvertent fame too well. I certainly don't think he's an anomaly for doing these things even if its wrong.
In short, IF he can mature as a person in the next couple years, he may be a decent nfl player. At the small price a team has to pay him, its not too much of a risk.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Impressive record keeping/chronology.
I would add that the last charge was reduced, he was never convicted of having a gun. He said that he made a move w/his hand in his jacket pocket to make the guy think he had a gun.
As for the last statement, I won't take up for him too much, but I don't think he seems like a bad kid, he's just immature & maybe a bit insecure. If he wants to play pro ball he's gonna have to get used to all kinds of criticism & taunting. He'll have to ignore some things better than he did at the WVU game (though I don't know that there's any place in the nfl that has fans that unruly).
He says that he & Dumervil talked & he apologized for the stomp incident. I personally don't put too much stock in the drug/underage girl issues, other than it shows that he hasn't handled his inadvertent fame too well. I certainly don't think he's an anomaly for doing these things even if its wrong.
In short, IF he can mature as a person in the next couple years, he may be a decent nfl player. At the small price a team has to pay him, its not too much of a risk.

Philly is worse than WVU.

Regardless of what Vick says, Dumervil (the guy who actually had his leg stomped on) denies any apology. Please don't tell me you actually believe Vick over Dumervil........and if so, give me ANY reason why.

You don't put too much stock in drug issues and statutory rape? Exactly what level of crime does someone have to reach before you actually do start to think that maybe they're not a good person?

I'm sorry, but I just don't see any reason to think this kid isn't a bad seed. What has he done to get the benefit of the doubt after screwing up so many times? Is it just because he can throw a football? Because you know darn well if he was Joe Blow off the street and you saw his rap sheet people wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt.

You heard the same things about Clarett last year: "He's not a bad guy, just a little immature". I mean come on, it's right there in front of you. The guy can't even make it 4 years on a college team without getting kicked off? And he's got a snowball's chance in hell of being successful in the NFL why? He's worth taking a shot on why? It'd be one thing if Vick EVER did a single thing to show us that he's a good person, but he hasn't (unless of course you count the alleged "pretending" to be pointing a gun at someone instead of pointing a real gun at someone a "good" thing).

I mean, I think the Cowboys are FOOLS for thinking they can change T.O. or that he won't act the exact same way he has with his former teams with them. But at least they're getting known talent. They're taking a chance on a bad seed because they see an almost certain benefit in his ability. About the only credit I give Miami is that they weren't stupid enough to waste a 7th round draft pick on the guy.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Philly is worse than WVU.

Regardless of what Vick says, Dumervil (the guy who actually had his leg stomped on) denies any apology. Please don't tell me you actually believe Vick over Dumervil........and if so, give me ANY reason why.

You don't put too much stock in drug issues and statutory rape? Exactly what level of crime does someone have to reach before you actually do start to think that maybe they're not a good person?

I'm sorry, but I just don't see any reason to think this kid isn't a bad seed. What has he done to get the benefit of the doubt after screwing up so many times? Is it just because he can throw a football? Because you know darn well if he was Joe Blow off the street and you saw his rap sheet people wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt.

You heard the same things about Clarett last year: "He's not a bad guy, just a little immature". I mean come on, it's right there in front of you. The guy can't even make it 4 years on a college team without getting kicked off? And he's got a snowball's chance in hell of being successful in the NFL why? He's worth taking a shot on why? It'd be one thing if Vick EVER did a single thing to show us that he's a good person, but he hasn't (unless of course you count the alleged "pretending" to be pointing a gun at someone instead of pointing a real gun at someone a "good" thing).

I mean, I think the Cowboys are FOOLS for thinking they can change T.O. or that he won't act the exact same way he has with his former teams with them. But at least they're getting known talent. They're taking a chance on a bad seed because they see an almost certain benefit in his ability. About the only credit I give Miami is that they weren't stupid enough to waste a 7th round draft pick on the guy.

won't debate philly v. wvu as I haven't been to either, only know from good friends & others that fans at wvu don't just taunt - they throw bottles & other things at opposing fans.

Vick said he apologized at the combine & they talked. Dumervil denied an apology after the game, but I haven't heard him deny such at the combine. (see Michael Smith's article on espn.com)

I don't put much stock in his drug & contributing to the delinquincy charges (he wasn't charged w/staturory rape as I recall, not positive on that) because we're talking about football & young football players. Its all relative. No it doesn't excuse the behavior, but at the same time plenty of college students, athletes or not, get drug/alcohol related charges & in the long run it doesn't keep most from becoming responsible adults. Not to mention the countless no. of pro athletes that have had such problems, but turn themsleves around.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking up for his past & saying that he doesn't deserve to be criticized, he does. But we're talking business, about him as a football player & the investment a team makes by bringing him to camp. For the small amount of $ the Dolphins invest, they could potentially get a bargain, that's my main point. I just don't see what the great risk is for them or any other team when the guy wasn't even drafted. If he sucks or is a problem they can cut him w/out spending much. I surely admit that's quite possible!!
Another reason I think he deserves a chance is that unlike TO & such guys, Vick hasn't had problems w/his teamates, his problems were off the field. His leadership ability as an nfl qb is certainly something to question, but again, the risk is very little for any team.
On a side note, if he were any avg. dude off the street, we wouldn't hear about his legal problems & there are thousands of people w/ worse records that are now good citizens.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

On a side note, if he were any avg. dude off the street, we wouldn't hear about his legal problems & there are thousands of people w/ worse records that are now good citizens.

Like me, for instance, except for the good citizen part.