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[memphisskin]

The great thing about the NFL is that no one really knows what is going to happen, since everything in the offseason is based on last year and "predictions." I don't know where "Frisco" Pete Prisco is pulling his predictions from, I'm guessing it rhymes with pass, but this guy is just an idiot.

To say that we signed a tight end who won't scare anyone down the field, I mean what team is he talking about? Isn't that the role currently occupied by H-back extraordinaire Chris Cooley? It's clear to me that he has no idea what our team needs are, which anyone who saw the playoff game versus Seattle could plainly see. We need a pass rushing defensive end (Carter, check), an upgrade at #2 wideout (Lloyd and Randle-El, check) and a blocking tight end with good hands to catch the short routes that Royal couldn't (Fauria, check).

I mean he's got the Jaguars above us, so clearly he's using the Frisco Pete method of ranking teams. No skin off my back though.

[MTK]

We heard the same crap from the naysayers when we signed guys like Moss, Griffin, and Springs.

Those guys are now cornerstones of the team, when are jerks like Prisco going to open their eyes and realize this is not the 2000 Redskins anymore.

The past few seasons under Gibbs they have made some really stellar free agent moves.

Whether or not they overpaid isn't what's being debated here, but what can't be debated is the fact Gibbs and company have radically overhauled the roster and infused it with talent, youth and playmakers. And these are all guys that are hungry to win, have great work ethics, and will run through walls for Gibbs and this staff.

F Prisco and F all the mediots that love to hate.

[JoeRedskin]

Here's my take on it:

As a complete team, I think the Skins win. Their one POTENTIAL weakness is Brunnell/QB Position. If this machine were being run by McNabb, Brady or Hasselback, then it would be "book your flights to Detroit guys". As it is, Brunnell may have enough gas in the tank to get us there, but I don't think it's a given. As for the rest of the NFC East, I just see too many holes. I think the window has closed on Phil., they are older and a bit slower. I don't think their FA additions go all that far towards improvement. IMO McNabb is now damaged goods in that locker and perhaps the team has lost some of its focus. As for NYG, I think last year was a fluke and that this year they sink in the W/L column - again, Tiki is getting up there and he IS the motor that drives that offense. I don't think Eli's got "it" - I'll believe it when I see it, but I think he will be an average QB. As for Dallas, I just dunno - I think your O-line is still gonna be a problem. Also, similar to us, you have an old, somewhat fragile, QB and, IMO, your back up situation is worse than ours (yes, my rose colored Campbell glasses are firmly in place).

Skins
Cowboys (Maybe Wildcard if O-Line protects Bledsoe and opens some holes)
Phil (7-9 to 9-7)
NYG (no more than 7 wins)

If anyone wants to the supporting data for my conclusions, I am afraid that I am relying on the super secret stats used only by professionals and, if I were to reveal them to you, I would have to kill you.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not saying they'll drop out of the playoffs. But right now the Colts don't have someone that can fill EJ's shoes. I think because of all the records Manning put up, Edge was really overlooked. But the team was at its best when he was healthy and producing. So I think right now, #2 is too high for Indy.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I agree. Elite backs are what opened up that passing game.

And JoeRedskin, I agree with your analysis, but I really don't see the Cowboys being second in the division. I think the Giants will be right behind us. Eli definitely doesn't have IT, and Tiki will be a force again next year, but I don't think they are worse than the Eagles or Cowboys.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Tsk, tsk, tsk. So quick to take the Skins signings for granted. I respect your opinion about what you THINK are our best signings, however you have overlooked the best one IMO (Andre Carter).

As for TO, he does make the offense better, but the Cowboys still suffer from one fatal flaw, Drew Bledsoe. He's got a helluva arm, but I'll take my chances that we can get to him before he can get the ball to TO. And last I checked Terry Glenn is still on the other side, oooh real scary. Meanwhile, at Redskin Park we've also got a bona fide playmaker at #1, Santana Moss. And now we have other options at wideout that will free up Moss and also Portis. Uh oh, its pick your poison. Put eight in the box and leave Moss one on one with Terrence Newman? Play coverage and watch Portis run wild?

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I didn't overlooked on Carter I'm just not sold on him he hasn't lived to his hipe that's all let's see if he plays better in a different system for me your best adittion are your wr that was your biggest hole Lloyd and Randall wil lgive another dimmensio nto your offense.

About your comments on T. Glenn man he's way better than Lloyd and Randall combined he's a bigger treath you're just blinded by the TD randall made at the superbowl but he only had 35 catches being the #2 receiver last season, Even Lloyd being the #1 receiver in SF never came close to Glenns numbers. Actually we have verry similar offenses we have 2 great receiver corps with playmakers in each side Moss, TO we have 2 other capable reciever Randall, Lloyd- Glenn, Crayton, pro bowl TE Witten and Cooley, great RB Portis, JJ and Barber. and Good but old qbs Brunell and Bledsoe.

The biggest difference I see is that we play a more control prevent offense and with saulder I see a more agressive 1 we will just have to waith and see how it ends.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Here's my take on it:

As a complete team, I think the Skins win. Their one POTENTIAL weakness is Brunnell/QB Position. If this machine were being run by McNabb, Brady or Hasselback, then it would be "book your flights to Detroit guys". As it is, Brunnell may have enough gas in the tank to get us there, but I don't think it's a given. As for the rest of the NFC East, I just see too many holes. I think the window has closed on Phil., they are older and a bit slower. I don't think their FA additions go all that far towards improvement. IMO McNabb is now damaged goods in that locker and perhaps the team has lost some of its focus. As for NYG, I think last year was a fluke and that this year they sink in the W/L column - again, Tiki is getting up there and he IS the motor that drives that offense. I don't think Eli's got "it" - I'll believe it when I see it, but I think he will be an average QB. As for Dallas, I just dunno - I think your O-line is still gonna be a problem. Also, similar to us, you have an old, somewhat fragile, QB and, IMO, your back up situation is worse than ours (yes, my rose colored Campbell glasses are firmly in place).

Skins
Cowboys (Maybe Wildcard if O-Line protects Bledsoe and opens some holes)
Phil (7-9 to 9-7)
NYG (no more than 7 wins)

If anyone wants to the supporting data for my conclusions, I am afraid that I am relying on the super secret stats used only by professionals and, if I were to reveal them to you, I would have to kill you.

I agree wit hthe mayority of your post I also see that the eagles time has passed and I don't see Manning as a top notch Qb also I don't see Tiki having another year like last.

On our subject e have made improvements at our Oline but I agree with you that our future will be determine on how those guys complement each other.

The only thing that might keep both of our teams out of the big dance is our QB we just have to see ho much gas they have left at the end of the year because last year they both fell on their back the last 3 games (including Playoffs) your D was the one that kept you in not your Qb. so our future it's also held to our QB's.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

About your comments on T. Glenn man he's way better than Lloyd and Randall combined he's a bigger treath you're just blinded by the TD randall made at the superbowl but he only had 35 catches being the #2 receiver last season, Even Lloyd being the #1 receiver in SF never came close to Glenns numbers. Actually we have verry similar offenses we have 2 great receiver corps with playmakers in each side Moss, TO we have 2 other capable reciever Randall, Lloyd- Glenn, Crayton, pro bowl TE Witten and Cooley, great RB Portis, JJ and Barber. and Good but old qbs Brunell and Bledsoe.

The biggest difference I see is that we play a more control prevent offense and with saulder I see a more agressive 1 we will just have to waith and see how it ends.

I love how commentators, and now you, talk about Randle El's 35 catches last year as proof that he's not a #2 wideout. That makes sense, unless you happened to watch the NFL or knew anything about the Steelers offense. Little known fact, Plaxico Burress caught 35 balls the previous year as the #2 wideout. And Roethlisberger threw more passes in '04 than he did '05, and to top it all off, the Steelers had the most rushing attempts in the league last year. So they weren't throwing it a ton, in fact, the Steelers m.o. was to pass early to get the lead, then rely on the running game and defense to hold on. Are his 35 catches an indication that he wasn't getting open? That he can't catch the ball?

As for Lloyd, seeing as how the 49ers had the worst passing game in the league with 118.6 yards per game, Lloyd's 48 catches for 733 yards and 5 tds don't seem quite so mundane anymore. Especially considering the qbs he had throwing him the ball, as I don't think anyone will confuse Alex Smith and Tim Rattay for Joe Montana and Steve Young. And Lloyd's 89 yard catch came on the Cowboys, with Terrence Newman chasing him the whole way. I think he outplayed your girl Terry Glenn that day, 2 tds to 0, 142 yards to 137. Maybe I'm wrong, I sure hope you show me where though.

I would keep on, but you lost me when you compared Clinton Portis, who has three 1500 yard seasons in four years (1300 was his off year) to Julius Jones who has yet to crack 1000 in either of his. I'm not knocking JJ, but he's not in the same class as Portis right now. Any mention of Patrick Crayton must be qualified with "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." So Patrick Crayton is a capable receiver "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." Or do u need proof?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I love how commentators, and now you, talk about Randle El's 35 catches last year as proof that he's not a #2 wideout. That makes sense, unless you happened to watch the NFL or knew anything about the Steelers offense. Little known fact, Plaxico Burress caught 35 balls the previous year as the #2 wideout. And Roethlisberger threw more passes in '04 than he did '05, and to top it all off, the Steelers had the most rushing attempts in the league last year. So they weren't throwing it a ton, in fact, the Steelers m.o. was to pass early to get the lead, then rely on the running game and defense to hold on. Are his 35 catches an indication that he wasn't getting open? That he can't catch the ball?

As for Lloyd, seeing as how the 49ers had the worst passing game in the league with 118.6 yards per game, Lloyd's 48 catches for 733 yards and 5 tds don't seem quite so mundane anymore. Especially considering the qbs he had throwing him the ball, as I don't think anyone will confuse Alex Smith and Tim Rattay for Joe Montana and Steve Young. And Lloyd's 89 yard catch came on the Cowboys, with Terrence Newman chasing him the whole way. I think he outplayed your girl Terry Glenn that day, 2 tds to 0, 142 yards to 137. Maybe I'm wrong, I sure hope you show me where though.

I would keep on, but you lost me when you compared Clinton Portis, who has three 1500 yard seasons in four years (1300 was his off year) to Julius Jones who has yet to crack 1000 in either of his. I'm not knocking JJ, but he's not in the same class as Portis right now. Any mention of Patrick Crayton must be qualified with "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." So Patrick Crayton is a capable receiver "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." Or do u need proof?

Perfect response.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

So Patrick Crayton is a capable receiver "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." Or do u need proof?

Better watch that one. In 2004, I think Crayton beat Taylor in the endzone for the game winner. But overall, a nice rebuttal.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Better watch that one. In 2004, I think Crayton beat Taylor in the endzone for the game winner.

2004 never happened...

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by steveo395

2004 never happened...

You mean 1992 - 2004 never happened.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Better watch that one. In 2004, I think Crayton beat Taylor in the endzone for the game winner.

I do remember that catch. But last I saw, Crayton was getting the snot/crap/beejeezus knocked out of him by Sean Taylor. I like to think of that as payback.

And thanks.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

You mean 1992 - 2004 never happened.

'92 happened, and i think i remember 1999 happening a little bit

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I do remember that catch. But last I saw, Crayton was getting the snot/crap/beejeezus knocked out of him by Sean Taylor. I like to think of that as payback.

And thanks.

Oh, don't I know it. At the time I had a 7 week old who was sleeping. For the two TD bombs, I manged to keep my joyful elation internal but when Taylor hit Crayton thus causing the "dropped pass" I whooped out loud....and woke him up.