Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate

[Alvin Walton]

You're right, its not socialist.
Since Obama rammed it down everyones throat its totalitarian.
Not sure which is worse.

[NC_Skins]

People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare


Point and laugh.



I think Matty's favorite icon works best here.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

You're right, its not socialist.
Since Obama rammed it down everyones throat its totalitarian.
Not sure which is worse.

The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan.

Dude, when people start out saying shit like "rammed down our throats", not even worth responding to.

Healthcare is the law of the land as legislated by the duly elected members of Congress. Period.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan.

Not sure what your talking about but the mandate is the only way Obama plan would ever work.

[12thMan]

I don't expect Romney to make this the center piece of his campaign and I certainly don't expect it to energize the base like some here think it will. Fact is millions upon millions have been helped by this law. That's not even in dispute. Now that it's been deemed constitutional by the highest court in the land, that too is off the table.

So exactly what is the argument that's going to fire up the base? A bunch of fancy charts, graphs, and Ops written by some egg heads at Heritage Foundation? Yeah, good luck with that.

It's the law of the land. Could use some improvements, but this thing is set in stone. Get over it.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't expect Romney to make this the center piece of his campaign and I certainly don't expect it to energize the base like some here think it will. Fact is millions upon millions have been helped by this law. That's not even in dispute. Now that it's been deemed constitutional by the highest court in the land, that too is off the table.

So exactly what is the argument that's going to fire up the base? A bunch of fancy charts, graphs, and Ops written by some egg heads at Heritage Foundation? Yeah, good luck with that.

It's the law of the land. Could use some improvements, but this thing is set in stone. Get over it.

You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.

When religions start paying some taxes in this country they can have a say about that, until then -- offer contraceptives. They're not forcing anyone to USE them, just OFFER them to people interested.

It's very simple -- we're the only first world nation without some sort of universal healthcare solution. Our medical care is lagging behind a majority of the world. Socialized programs aren't perfect, but there's a reason why many of them dominate the best healthcare rankings in the world. Take a look at France sometime.

It comes down to this -- we're forcing insurance companies to insure everyone. That means they have to take a risk, to help counteract that risk, everyone HAS to have insurance. It's fair and good for our country. We need to start focusing our efforts on infrastructure, education, and the general welfare of our people.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Daseal

When religions start paying some taxes in this country they can have a say about that, until then -- offer contraceptives. They're not forcing anyone to USE them, just OFFER them to people interested.

So to have universal healthcare/Obamacare, you're willing to throw out the protection of Freedom of Religion in the 1st Ammendment. So unless religious institutions pay a "fine", "tax", or whatever you want to call it, they are forced to violate deeply held core religious beliefs?

You understand the HHS mandate also requires for sterilization and the abortion drugs, correct. This isn't about contraception, it's about people being FORCED to violate their religious beliefs.

You may not care about this, but you're barking WAAAAYYYY up the wrong tree on this one.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So unless religious institutions pay a "fine", "tax", or whatever you want to call it, they are forced to violate deeply held core religious beliefs?

You understand the HHS mandate also requires for sterilization and the abortion drugs, correct. This isn't about contraception, it's about people being FORCED to violate their religious beliefs.

You may not care about this, but you're barking WAAAAYYYY up the wrong tree on this one.

...but Christians don't mind when they force other people onto THEIR beliefs. (abortion/gay marriage)


Funny how that works.


IT"S OK IF I VIOLATE YOUR RIGHTS DUE TO MY RELIGION BUT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME!!! (condescending tone intended)

Christians have and will continue to be some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever encountered. (this is purely a statement on MY experiences)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.

We've been going around and around on this for a few years now.

So, the thing that Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts is now constitutional for the nation, making his entire argument one of philosophy. I don't see how the animates the race long-term. Can't wait to hear Romney explain that and keep the base fired up.

Yesterday was a clear win for Americans, Obama and, yes, liberals. We won. It's as simple as that. No spin. See you in November.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

See you in November.

In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.

[12thMan]

[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;923197]In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.[/QUOTE

I'm by no means over-confident. But as of today, I don't see Romney's path to victory and neither does his campaign.

What's the bet anyway?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

We've been going around and around on this for a few years now.

So, the thing that Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts is now constitutional for the nation, making his entire argument one of philosophy. I don't see how the animates the race long-term. Can't wait to hear Romney explain that and keep the base fired up.

Yesterday was a clear win for Americans, Obama and, yes, liberals. We won. It's as simple as that. No spin. See you in November.

I am trying really hard to see the twisted logic he is going to use to tell us we can't have Romneycare at the federal level but we can have coverage for children under 24, denial based on pre-existing condition illegal, lower coverage cost for seniors, etc, etc.

Also, didn't Romney say without the feds his state couldn't have Romneycare and is that Romney or Obama on the video?

[saden1]

You guys are just playing a game semantics. The fact of the matter is republicans thought of and inspired the individual mandate and Romney was the first politician to bring us closer to universal healthcare. I think reasonable can agree that Romney is not the ideal vanguard of the anti-obamacare movement. A simple message wins the day and Romney's messages is not going to be simpler than Obama's on healthcare.

It is not the second quarter, there 1 sec left in the game and one last hail marry play remains. The filibuster is a deadly play. Healthcare is here to stay move the **** on.