Build the Redskins for 2012

SOUL-SKINS · 11-13-2011, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think a long term project should be a total rebuild of the secondary. With that said, I would try to extend Landry to something reasonable that doesn't commit the Redskins for more than a year or two. I think you look at the contracts of Hall and Atogwe and try to determine what sort of production you are getting and if it's worth it to have either back next year. I would be totally okay with Wilson, Landry, and a bunch of new faces next season. But I don't think we should cut people just to cut people, I think we need to consider the production against the cost.

We need more depth on the DL. We can probably get away with ignoring that position early in the draft, but not late. Just getting Jarvis Jenkins back isn't going to completely fix the depth issues.

Offensively, I'd like to get someone to pair with Hankerson to threaten teams on the outside. But the real job should be to come away with a right tackle, a running back, and a quarterback in the first four rounds of the draft. If you have to rely on the current group of receivers for another year, you can likely get away with it.

You seem to evaluate college qb's very well. Who do you see the best fit for the Skins..... Other than Luck... Barkley, Jones or RG3?

Big C · 11-13-2011, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

9. No pretty boy QBs from the West Coast allowed. We need a QB with true grit, not some pansie ass who racks up great stats against shitty competition. Sorry Pac 10 fans, but your conference sucks. At least up here in Big 10 country anybody can beat anybody on any given Saturday( ie Northwestern U beating NU last Sat or Purdue beating OSU this Sat)

might want to take foles off your list then. plays for arizona and looks like sunshine from remember the titans. same with kellen moore since hes from the west coast and doesnt play in a strong conference. barkley is a great qb prospect, any particular reason you wouldn't want him?

GusFrerotte · 11-13-2011, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Trade for Andrew Luck at all costs. I mean like a Ditka move, trade away the entire draft and throw in next year's 1st rounder if you have to. If impossible, then prioritize as follows:

- Franchise QB with mobility, if available in draft
- Wide Receiver
- Right Tackle
- Guard

Schneed,

Too many quality guys in this coming draft to give up the farm for one QB. Also, the Skins need a ton of new players to at least add depth if not become future starters. Luck is a great QB, but was somewhat exposed against USC, and really exposed Sat night against Oregon. Those two teams were Stanford's only real opponents all year. Washington is a good team, but not elite. RGIII, Tannehill, Foles, Moore, and Keenum are all first round worthy. Oops, forgot about Landry. Guys like Dan Persa and the kid from Wisconsin could be picked up in the mid to later rounds to get a bona fide backup. Beck is toast, and I would sign Rex to another one year deal.

SFREDSKIN · 11-13-2011, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big C

Next season in an ideal/somewhat realistic situation...

QB: Barkley
RB: Helu
FB: Young

WR: Free Agent
WR: Hankerson
WR: Moss (slot)

TE: Cooley (Hes still our best tight end imo, davis is better after the catch but cooley is much more consistent catching the ball)
TE: Davis

LT: Trent Williams
LG: Liechtensteiger
C: Montgomery
RG: Chester
RT: Free Agent

LE: Jenkins
NT: Cofield
RE: Bowen

OLB: Kerrigan
MLB: Fletcher
MLB: Perry
OLB: Orakpo

CB: Free Agent
FS: Atogwe
SS: Landry
CB: Hall
Nickle: Wilson

K: Gano
P: Rocca

Draft:

Round 1: Barkley
Round 2: Offensive Line
Round 3: Cornerback
Round 4: Offensive Line
Round 4: Running Back (Campbell trade)
Round 5: Defensive Line
Round 6: Quarterback
Round 7: Offensive Line

Free Agency:

Starting corner, Starting right tackle, #1 wide receiver. Depth at other positions like safety.

I like your blue print a lot!!

Paintrain · 11-13-2011, 08:57 PM

I don't watch college football so rather than talk about individuals I'll talk positions we need upgrading (spoiler-it's almost all of them)

QB-We've got to draft one in the 1st round and sign a free agent as well. Rex and Beck cannot be on this roster come this spring. Neither has shown any reason to continue as Redskins. I was disappointed we didn't sign Leinart, Matt Flynn is an option this offseason.

RB-Another area we whiffed on this offseason. We need playmakers badly and they were available but we stayed with Torrain and picked Helu. I was high on him early on but his propensity for being down on the 1st hit and lacking ability to make people miss doesn't make me think he's a full time starter. I liked Hightower ok but he wasn't 'special' and coming off of torn ACL/MCL I'm thinking pass on counting on him. Bring him back but as a replacement for Torrain, I'm over him.

WR-If we don't try all that we can to make a huge splash here, meaning trying to sign DeSean Jackson or Vincent Jackson or trading for a WR that will be a major failing. This is the only other position I'd be OK drafting instead of a QB in the 1st round next year.

OL depth-I may be in the minority in being ok with our starting OL. We were moving the ball pretty well early on with the starters prior to injuries and changes. We need to get some quality players that won't represent a huge dropoff when injuries occur.

DL depth-Add a player or two in the middle rounds but this unit is decent.

LB depth-Rak and Kerrigan are keepers.. Riley has some potential as a #2. It's unpopular but they should look for an upgrade to Fletcher. He's not getting younger, faster or taller. He's a major liability in pass defense. McIntosh is done.. We need a free agent and a draft pick here.

DB-D. Hall, gone. Doughty, gone. Otogwe, ehh. Landry, ehh. Barnes, GTF out. This unit needs a complete overhaul.

ST-Fire Danny Smith, cut Banks and let Paul handle PR/KR duties.

I wonder if the Redskins are having financial issues. I'm all for financial restraint after the Haynesworth foolishness and the previous wasted contracts but we've got to be a player in free agency next year instead of sitting it out like we did the prior two offseasons.

sdskinsfan2001 · 11-13-2011, 09:45 PM

1st Round: RGIII, if not available trade back later into the 1st round and draft Tannehill.
2nd Round: Wide Receiver
3rd Round: Best OG/OT Available
4th Round: Best OG/OT Available
Other 4th Round: Best ILB Available
5th Round: Best CB Available
Remaining picks: Best player Available at any position

Resign Landry
Resign Carriker if reasonable
RESIGN FLETCHER
Resign Fred Davis

Bring in a free agent CB and G/T if reasonable

Big C · 11-13-2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

1st Round: RGIII, if not available trade back later into the 1st round and draft Tannehill.
2nd Round: Wide Receiver
3rd Round: Best OG/OT Available
4th Round: Best OG/OT Available
Other 4th Round: Best ILB Available
5th Round: Best CB Available
Remaining picks: Best player Available at any position

Resign Landry
Resign Carriker if reasonable
RESIGN FLETCHER
Resign Fred Davis

Bring in a free agent CB and G/T if reasonable

thing is tannehill isnt a viable option to start from day 1, nor is he a 1st round qb imo.

skinsfaninok · 11-13-2011, 09:48 PM

Luck is good but not Sam Bradford IMO

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 11-13-2011, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Luck is good but not Sam Bradford IMO

i will disagree and say that they are equal at the very least and Luck isnt coming off a serious shoulder injury coming into the league like Sam was.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 11-13-2011, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Blackmon is worthy of a top 5 probably... should be taken in the top 10

I stand behind my original statement and to the point that Blackmon is not the prospect that Calvin was coming out.

SFREDSKIN · 11-13-2011, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

i will disagree and say that they are equal at the very least and Luck isnt coming off a serious shoulder injury coming into the league like Sam was.

Bradford is pretty good, Luck will be all world. I would say Barkley=Bradford.

SmootSmack · 11-13-2011, 10:01 PM

If anyone's curious, the FAs reportedly at the top of our list are DeSean Jackson, Marques Colston, and Ben Grubbs.

I honestly don't know how serious that DJ talk is. Colston is someone who's been on our radar for a couple of years.

skinsfaninok · 11-13-2011, 10:06 PM

I'd love DJ personally

SFREDSKIN · 11-13-2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If anyone's curious, the FAs reportedly at the top of our list are DeSean Jackson, Marques Colston, and Ben Grubbs.

I honestly don't know how serious that DJ talk is. Colston is someone who's been on our radar for a couple of years.

DJ is a very talented player, but a total punk and don't want him on this team. He sure hurt his team today by getting benched for missing the ST meeting.

Paintrain · 11-13-2011, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

DJ is a very talented player, but a total punk and don't want him on this team. He sure hurt his team today by getting benched for missing the ST meeting.

I don't want him babysitting my kids but I sure the hell want him sprinting thru secondaries!!!

11-13-2011, 08:57 PM	#50
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 53 Posts: 5,006	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 I don't watch college football so rather than talk about individuals I'll talk positions we need upgrading (spoiler-it's almost all of them) QB-We've got to draft one in the 1st round and sign a free agent as well. Rex and Beck cannot be on this roster come this spring. Neither has shown any reason to continue as Redskins. I was disappointed we didn't sign Leinart, Matt Flynn is an option this offseason. RB-Another area we whiffed on this offseason. We need playmakers badly and they were available but we stayed with Torrain and picked Helu. I was high on him early on but his propensity for being down on the 1st hit and lacking ability to make people miss doesn't make me think he's a full time starter. I liked Hightower ok but he wasn't 'special' and coming off of torn ACL/MCL I'm thinking pass on counting on him. Bring him back but as a replacement for Torrain, I'm over him. WR-If we don't try all that we can to make a huge splash here, meaning trying to sign DeSean Jackson or Vincent Jackson or trading for a WR that will be a major failing. This is the only other position I'd be OK drafting instead of a QB in the 1st round next year. OL depth-I may be in the minority in being ok with our starting OL. We were moving the ball pretty well early on with the starters prior to injuries and changes. We need to get some quality players that won't represent a huge dropoff when injuries occur. DL depth-Add a player or two in the middle rounds but this unit is decent. LB depth-Rak and Kerrigan are keepers.. Riley has some potential as a #2. It's unpopular but they should look for an upgrade to Fletcher. He's not getting younger, faster or taller. He's a major liability in pass defense. McIntosh is done.. We need a free agent and a draft pick here. DB-D. Hall, gone. Doughty, gone. Otogwe, ehh. Landry, ehh. Barnes, GTF out. This unit needs a complete overhaul. ST-Fire Danny Smith, cut Banks and let Paul handle PR/KR duties. I wonder if the Redskins are having financial issues. I'm all for financial restraint after the Haynesworth foolishness and the previous wasted contracts but we've got to be a player in free agency next year instead of sitting it out like we did the prior two offseasons. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman Last edited by Paintrain; 11-13-2011 at 09:01 PM.

11-13-2011, 09:45 PM	#51
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 41 Posts: 19,497	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 1st Round: RGIII, if not available trade back later into the 1st round and draft Tannehill. 2nd Round: Wide Receiver 3rd Round: Best OG/OT Available 4th Round: Best OG/OT Available Other 4th Round: Best ILB Available 5th Round: Best CB Available Remaining picks: Best player Available at any position Resign Landry Resign Carriker if reasonable RESIGN FLETCHER Resign Fred Davis Bring in a free agent CB and G/T if reasonable

11-13-2011, 09:48 PM	#53
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,999	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 Luck is good but not Sam Bradford IMO __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-13-2011, 10:01 PM	#57
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 If anyone's curious, the FAs reportedly at the top of our list are DeSean Jackson, Marques Colston, and Ben Grubbs. I honestly don't know how serious that DJ talk is. Colston is someone who's been on our radar for a couple of years. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-13-2011, 10:06 PM	#58
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,999	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 I'd love DJ personally __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

Build the Redskins for 2012

Locker Room Main Forum