Grossman, Beck or-ton?

SBXVII · 11-23-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

Sign Orton, cut Beck. Play Grossman this year. Get Orton ready for next year. Draft 1 or 2 QB's next year.

This would be my game plan. I know we have many needs but I'd still take a 1st round QB and late round QB.

SBXVII · 11-23-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Orton and Grossman are basically the same guy. No thanks.

And you are correct but Orton has a better TD/INT ratio. Ya gotta go with the better one.

MTK · 11-23-2011, 09:21 AM

I'm kinda torn on this. I was in favor of trading for him prior to the season, but this late in the game and with the playoffs out of reach, I don't see the point now.

mlmpetert · 11-23-2011, 09:40 AM

My thoughts are that Orton is better than Grossman. Grossman may have a better arm but has poor decision making. In our offensive i think better decision making is more important than a better arm.

We have a lot of uncertainty at the QB position next year. Grossman is a FA. We will likely be drafting a QB very high or trading a lot of picks for one. Beck will be gone. I dont even know who are PS QB is, but if Beck is still the second stringer at this point in the season i know the coaches dont have any faith in him. Even if we get Luck or RG3 at the bare minimum we need a second string QB next year, and having a vet that knows the offense would be a lot better in the development of a young guy.

Orton is a FA too, so I look at the reason we should try and get him is as a insurance policy. If he plays better then Grossman in our system then great, hopefully we can sign him to a contract and our roster is better, even if just depth. If he doesn’t then cool hes a FA and we get a supplemental pick when he signs with another team. Same thing with Grossman. Hopefully we would be able to keep one and hopefully it would be the better one. If not at least we will get 2 supplemental draft picks instead of just one.

Its real tough to get a decent FA QB right after we sign a 1st round draft pick, make a big trade for a guy or sign a big FA name like Matt Flynn. Having two chances to sign a decent guy that has familiarity with the offense but is basically conceding to the backup role is better than just one chance. And if neither work out at least we get something for our efforts and danny’s 2.5 million (money that doesn’t affect the future cap that Danny spends means absolutely nothing to me).

skinsfaninok · 11-23-2011, 10:03 AM

Adam S. "The redskins, dolphins and chiefs are all interested in Orton"

Just now on SC

Meks · 11-23-2011, 10:12 AM

great. id rather not be interested in him... dunno what miami is thinking i like matt moore>orton .. just dont even bother with this guy IMO, sign ur qb in the draft.

skinsfaninok · 11-23-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Meks

great. id rather not be interested in him... dunno what miami is thinking i like matt moore>orton .. just dont even bother with this guy IMO, sign ur qb in the draft.

I doubt we sign him

BigHairedAristocrat · 11-23-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm kinda torn on this. I was in favor of trading for him prior to the season, but this late in the game and with the playoffs out of reach, I don't see the point now.

I agree, orton is really not very good. he's better than beck, but i wouldnt say he's better than grossman in this system now, and i have doubts he'd even represent a MARGINAL upgrade over grossman next year.

I say we stick with Grossman, draft a 1st round QB, draft a later-round QB, and pick up a FA QB next year. keep grossman and the 1st rounder in 2012 and then let the other two compete for a roster spot.

freddyg12 · 11-23-2011, 11:17 AM

A couple of you have mentioned next year, and that to me is the reason to claim him. First, when does his contract run out? If at the end of this year, that's a big reason not to sign him. If he's under contract for next year, that's our 'vet Qb' pickup for 2012 w/6 games left in 11 to see him in practice.

I think it makes sense if he's under contract next year. He could either serve as a stop gap starter or #2 in 2012.

mlmpetert · 11-23-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree, orton is really not very good. he's better than beck, but i wouldnt say he's better than grossman in this system now, and i have doubts he'd even represent a MARGINAL upgrade over grossman next year.

I say we stick with Grossman, draft a 1st round QB, draft a later-round QB, and pick up a FA QB next year. keep grossman and the 1st rounder in 2012 and then let the other two compete for a roster spot.

Grossman is a FA and at the very least is gonna shop around, what if he gets a better offer or doesnt want to serve as back up to a rookie?

No one knows how Orton will compare to Grossman in our system. With the season over why not find out now and try to keep the best one for 2012? What if we are unable to get any of the QBs in the draft or FA we really want?

And if we are able to get Orton it just means Beck is gone. Thats it. Maybe if Orton shows a lot of promise he gets a couple starts at the end of the year. But not wanting Orton means that you want Beck and/or you want Grossman to go unchallenged.

mlmpetert · 11-23-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

A couple of you have mentioned next year, and that to me is the reason to claim him. First, when does his contract run out? If at the end of this year, that's a big reason not to sign him. If he's under contract for next year, that's our 'vet Qb' pickup for 2012 w/6 games left in 11 to see him in practice.

I think it makes sense if he's under contract next year. He could either serve as a stop gap starter or #2 in 2012.

He will be a FA, but thats a positive to me. Grossman is also a FA. If either or both leave and sign with another team we will likely get a compensatory pick for each.

skinsfaninok · 11-23-2011, 12:31 PM

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MTK · 11-23-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree, orton is really not very good. he's better than beck, but i wouldnt say he's better than grossman in this system now, and i have doubts he'd even represent a MARGINAL upgrade over grossman next year.

I say we stick with Grossman, draft a 1st round QB, draft a later-round QB, and pick up a FA QB next year. keep grossman and the 1st rounder in 2012 and then let the other two compete for a roster spot.

All things being equal Orton is definitely a better QB than Grossman. Better career numbers, better W/L %, and he simply passes the eyeball test over Grossman.

skinsfaninok · 11-23-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

All things being equal Orton is definitely a better QB than Grossman. Better career numbers, better W/L %, and he simply passes the eyeball test over Grossman.

No doubt, Orton took his job lol.. I wanted KO before the season but whats the point now?

MTK · 11-23-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

No doubt, Orton took his job lol.. I wanted KO before the season but whats the point now?

For this year, it doesn't make much sense. But it makes sense if they feel he can be the guy next year until a rookie is ready. And he's definitely an upgrade over Grossman.

11-23-2011, 09:21 AM	#48
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11-23-2011, 09:40 AM	#49
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton? My thoughts are that Orton is better than Grossman. Grossman may have a better arm but has poor decision making. In our offensive i think better decision making is more important than a better arm. We have a lot of uncertainty at the QB position next year. Grossman is a FA. We will likely be drafting a QB very high or trading a lot of picks for one. Beck will be gone. I dont even know who are PS QB is, but if Beck is still the second stringer at this point in the season i know the coaches dont have any faith in him. Even if we get Luck or RG3 at the bare minimum we need a second string QB next year, and having a vet that knows the offense would be a lot better in the development of a young guy. Orton is a FA too, so I look at the reason we should try and get him is as a insurance policy. If he plays better then Grossman in our system then great, hopefully we can sign him to a contract and our roster is better, even if just depth. If he doesn’t then cool hes a FA and we get a supplemental pick when he signs with another team. Same thing with Grossman. Hopefully we would be able to keep one and hopefully it would be the better one. If not at least we will get 2 supplemental draft picks instead of just one. Its real tough to get a decent FA QB right after we sign a 1st round draft pick, make a big trade for a guy or sign a big FA name like Matt Flynn. Having two chances to sign a decent guy that has familiarity with the offense but is basically conceding to the backup role is better than just one chance. And if neither work out at least we get something for our efforts and danny’s 2.5 million (money that doesn’t affect the future cap that Danny spends means absolutely nothing to me). __________________ www.NRABannedGunsRaffle.org Last edited by mlmpetert; 11-23-2011 at 09:43 AM.

11-23-2011, 10:03 AM	#50
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,999	Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton? Adam S. "The redskins, dolphins and chiefs are all interested in Orton" Just now on SC __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-23-2011, 10:12 AM	#51
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 38 Posts: 5,413	Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton? great. id rather not be interested in him... dunno what miami is thinking i like matt moore>orton .. just dont even bother with this guy IMO, sign ur qb in the draft. __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

11-23-2011, 11:17 AM	#54
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton? A couple of you have mentioned next year, and that to me is the reason to claim him. First, when does his contract run out? If at the end of this year, that's a big reason not to sign him. If he's under contract for next year, that's our 'vet Qb' pickup for 2012 w/6 games left in 11 to see him in practice. I think it makes sense if he's under contract next year. He could either serve as a stop gap starter or #2 in 2012.

11-23-2011, 12:31 PM	#57
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,999	Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton? Per a league source, here’s the current list: (1) Colts; (2) Panthers; (3) Rams; (4) Vikings; (5) Cardinals; (6) Redskins; (7) Jaguars; (8) Dolphins; (9) Chiefs; (10) Browns; (11) Eagles; (12) Chargers; (13) Seahawks; (14) Buccaneers; (15) Titans; (16) Bills; (17) Jets; (18) Broncos; (19) Giants; (20) Raider; (21) Bengals; (22) Cowboys; (23) Falcons; (24) Saints; (25) Texans; (26) Ravens; (27) Steelers; (28) Patriots; (29) Lions; (30) Bears; (31) 49ers; and (32) Packers. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

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