Hall In, Taylor Out??

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by redskinsskickazz

i would like to know how many people on this sight would go to work if it was voluntary and you still got paid

You mean if we still got paid even if we didn't show up?

It's kind of like me doing extra studies in my spare time with computer programming. I'm not getting paid for it and it doesn't count for college credit, but I am doing it to hopefully have an advantage over others who are finishing college - so I guess I would.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Vermeil has won what? Levy has won what? Last I checked both have combined for Zero rings.

You're right. A player should be able to say FU*K You to the coach and still play if he's good enough. And because any small amount of discipline might not be successful, you just shouldn't bother. Absolutely. Players should definitely be allowed to show complete disrespect for their team and coaches and the precedent we should set for that behavior is to name that player your starter, because after all, nothing is more important that how fast a player can run and how high he can jump and how many plays he can make. Attitude means nothing and respect for the team should be completely discounted.

Look, all I'm getting at is I think it's a little hasty to say that what I'm proposing is so "rediculous". Players have been benched and kept out of the starting lineup for less. Why we're so afraid to do it is beyond me.

I'm not going to beat you over the head anymore about Vermiel and Levy's accomplishments, just make sure you see their busts in the Hall of Fame (in the same wing as Gibbs' who has never been a strict disciplinarian) in a few years to get my point.. I don't get how not coming to VOLUNTARY workouts and team activities is disrespectful for the team and coaches.. Should he return phone calls, yes, should he be benched for it, hell no. Players have never been benched and kept out of the starting lineup for that or less..

Matty, can I request a moratorium on all Taylor relating whining until he misses a mandatory practice or declares himself a holdout from camp?

[mooby]

i agree with that moratorium mainly because most of the discussion on the site the last few days has been about taylor not being here.

[Yellow31]

fellas its May. lets worry more the closer the season gets. if gibbs isn't too pissed why should we be?? I am sure he will be running his butt when he gets in DC...

[diehardskin2982]

ST won't be leaving for atleast 7 years. They say it's not about money, but he did sign a team friendly contract and in 2 years he could possibly be the best safety in the league. Have patients with the youth, because it will pay off in dividends.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm not going to beat you over the head anymore about Vermiel and Levy's accomplishments, just make sure you see their busts in the Hall of Fame (in the same wing as Gibbs' who has never been a strict disciplinarian) in a few years to get my point.. I don't get how not coming to VOLUNTARY workouts and team activities is disrespectful for the team and coaches.. Should he return phone calls, yes, should he be benched for it, hell no. Players have never been benched and kept out of the starting lineup for that or less..

Actually I'd be pretty surprised if Vermeil makes the hall.

And players get into coaches' "doghouses" all the time, and they get put on the bench for it or sit out a few series for it. Not only does it not "never" happen, it happens multiple times each season. I'm not going to come up with all the examples now, but I'll be sure to point it out to you every time it happens this year if you like.

[wolfeskins]

i'm with you PSU21, taylor is the only player with an unexcused absence. i'm quite sure gibbs is more pissed off than he is showing. taylor not returning gibbs' calls is just total disrespect. i agree with you when you suggest some sort of punishment. whether the punishment works or not on "getting through" to taylor it needs to be done in order to set an example and to let the rest of the players know that a single player is not bigger than the team.
i'm really dissapointed in the amount of people on this sight that try to defend taylor. his actions are defenseless. there is no rational reason for him not being at the work outs or for not returning phone calls. i do think the signing of hall is in direct influence of the taylor situation. i think the skins are just preparing for the possibility of taylor not showing up for minicamp.

[MTK]

Nobody is defending him, we would all like him to be at Redskins Park right now.

Simple fact is, voluntary workouts are not mandatory.

Does that make him any less than an ass? No, but is he breaking any team rules here? Quite simply, no. So why should he be punished??

Be annoyed with him if you want, but there's nothing the team can do to make him come to camp, until the practices are MANDATORY.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Actually I'd be pretty surprised if Vermeil makes the hall.

And players get into coaches' "doghouses" all the time, and they get put on the bench for it or sit out a few series for it. Not only does it not "never" happen, it happens multiple times each season. I'm not going to come up with all the examples now, but I'll be sure to point it out to you every time it happens this year if you like.

I'd be suprised if he didn't make the hall.. Super Bowls with 2 teams in 2 completely different eras, winning one.. A winner for most of his coaching career (Lost is about to come on so I am not going to take the time to research) not to mention his broadcasting prowess. If he somehow gets to the Super Bowl with the Chiefs (which I completely doubt by the way) he's a lead pipe lock.. Don't forget he's a media darling and they are the ones who vote..

Getting into a coaches doghouse in May and doing something midseason to get benched are completely different entities.. Once the season starts you are on their time, in May, you are on your own time.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Nobody is defending him, we would all like him to be at Redskins Park right now.

Simple fact is, voluntary workouts are not mandatory.

Does that make him any less than an ass? No, but is he breaking any team rules here? Quite simply, no. So why should he be punished??

Be annoyed with him if you want, but there's nothing the team can do to make him come to camp, until the practices are MANDATORY.

obviously we just have a huge difference of opinion on this subject. nobody is right and nobody is wrong, opinions are just opinions.
i guess my main thing is i just feel like taylor should have more loyalty or respect towards gibbs and the skins organization. ( i'm not sure if loyalty and respect are the right words to chose when trying to explain my view, i'm having trouble finding the right words. i hope you understand what it is i'm trying to say)
all i know is that i would never do what taylor is doing. to me it's a matter of morals or principles.
i think it's more of him not returning joes calls than it is him not being at the work outs that has me so frustrated with him. to me that is a huge sign of disrespect.

[wolfeskins]

[QUOTE=Paintrain]I'd be suprised if he didn't make the hall.. Don't forget he's a media darling and they are the ones who vote..[QUOTE]





plus he cries more than any other coach in the history of professional sports.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

obviously we just have a huge difference of opinion on this subject. nobody is right and nobody is wrong, opinions are just opinions.
i guess my main thing is i just feel like taylor should have more loyalty or respect towards gibbs and the skins organization. ( i'm not sure if loyalty and respect are the right words to chose when trying to explain my view, i'm having trouble finding the right words. i hope you understand what it is i'm trying to say)
all i know is that i would never do what taylor is doing. to me it's a matter of morals or principles.
i think it's more of him not returning joes calls than it is him not being at the work outs that has me so frustrated with him. to me that is a huge sign of disrespect.

Of course, and I totally agree that it's frustrating and it's very disrespectful.

But it's one of those situations where all you can do is shrug your shoulders and say, "what can you do"?

[wolfeskins]

true enough.

[wolfeskins]

hopefully taylor is in camp when he needs to be and if he has a great year the skins can renegotiate his contract after next season.
give him a bigger contract and maybe give the skins less of a cap hit, everyone is happy.

[W_REDSKINS]

1st off cory Hall is no Sean Taylor... Im not even convinced he would challenge Ryan Clark, Pierson Prioleau or Andre Lott for that matter.

And yes, I think we should all hold off on trading/releasing Sean Taylor untill the guy actually holds out or makes his own demand regarding a trade or release. I mean he obviously contacted someone within the organization at least long enough to request a number change. Did he say " Hey, although I never intend to play in Washington ever again. Can I have number 21 just untill it`s official? "

I doubt it...