Start John Beck Madness Thread

[Chico23231]

I dont think the question is entirely crazy. I think the question will be bounced around by the coaching staff. Rex has had 6 consecutive quarters of pretty poor play.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I don't think Rex is great, but I don't think you gain much if anything by bringing in Beck at this point. Rex is a middle of the pack guy. Always was, probably always will be. His stats at this point of the season are comparable to guys like Big Ben, M. Sanchez, Flacco, Kolb...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I don't think Rex is great, but I don't think you gain much if anything by bringing in Beck at this point. Rex is a middle of the pack guy. Always was, probably always will be. His stats at this point of the season are comparable to guys like Big Ben, M. Sanchez, Flacco, Kolb...

You get the bootleg and a guy who can get the ball downfield. Rex's play lately hasn't justified taking out the offenses other staple play. Beck wouldn't have to do much to match if not exceed the play we've seen lately out of Rex.

Plus I am scared to death of Trent Cole getting pressure on Rex next week. Cole is playing at the same level as Dwight Freney during the mid to late 2000's.

[Alvin Walton]

Grossman is a placeholder.
Beck could be a placeholder.
I'll go with the one that has a few wins this year.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Grossman is a placeholder.
Beck could be a placeholder.
I'll go with the one that has a few wins this year.

For once I agree with Alvin Walton.

I don't understand why people are suprised at Grossman's style of play so far. In the words of Jamie Dukes, he is what he is. You're gonna get some good, you're gonna get some bad. Right now Grossman has gotten us to 3-1. As long as we win games I don't see why he needs to be benched.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by mooby

For once I agree with Alvin Walton.

I don't understand why people are suprised at Grossman's style of play so far. In the words of Jamie Dukes, he is what he is. You're gonna get some good, you're gonna get some bad. Right now Grossman has gotten us to 3-1. As long as we win games I don't see why he needs to be benched.

I think its a lot of curiosity. Seeing what Beck can do is what fuels me really. It's like alright, we see Rex, wonder what this other guy can do? I mean granted you shouldn't take a team with momentum and just totally change the dynamic, which is why I'm torn and think that a switch should only be a consideration during the bye week and something sitting in the coaches head's down the road in case inconsistency keeps up and not a knee jerk move.

Also starting Beck against a divisional foe next week would be a bad move anyway.

I think a lot of this is frustration (for me anyway), that I think this offense has the ability to really really be good and there's some missing piece and I can't figure out wtf.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think its a lot of curiosity. Seeing what Beck can do is what fuels me really. It's like alright, we see Rex, wonder what this other guy can do? I mean granted you shouldn't take a team with momentum and just totally change the dynamic, which is why I'm torn and think that a switch should only be a consideration during the bye week and something sitting in the coaches head's down the road in case inconsistency keeps up and not a knee jerk move.

Also starting Beck against a divisional foe next week would be a bad move anyway.

I think a lot of this is frustration (for me anyway), that I think this offense has the ability to really really be good and there's some missing piece and I can't figure out wtf.

Sitting Rex is exactly what we could use against a divisional foe. No film to study the guy, unexpected mobility which would cause the defense to keep atleast one linebacker in to spy, because if they don't there is territory to claim in the flats for a running John Beck coming off play action bootleg against a defense that will most likely show our offense some form of base cover 2, which we've seen for the past 2 weeks. With one less LB dropping back it could open up the middle of the field for more intermediate crossing, seam, and skinny post routes.

As for Beck, and his overall ability, it's impossible to know, simply because we haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate assessment. From what I saw of him in the preseason he seems to keep his eyes dowfield in the face of pressure, he works through his progressions quickly, he's willing to adjust by gliding away from pressure, and has the innate ability to complete improvisational throws outside of the pocket. He's taller than Grossman which gives him a distinct advantage when it comes to recognizing throwing lanes, batted balls and noticing coverage downfield. He can manifest throws from awkward positions(leaping in the air off of his back foot, falling to the turf). More importantly, there will never be another team vying for Grossman's services. He is a mediocre system oriented QB. Anyone can see that. If we play Beck, and he happens to inspire awe from other franchises around the league, you can potentially deal him for a future draft pick. If he performs well in the system you might even think about hanging onto him as an interim QB until you can prime a rookie to take over. Do you really want Rex's poor decision making and fearful demeanor in the pocket rubbing off on a impressionable rookie.

The fact that the curiousity exists to see what the next guy can do ultimately means that your intuition is taking over. Follow that, because it is usually the best course of action.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Sitting Rex is exactly what we could use against a divisional foe. No film to study the guy, unexpected mobility which would cause the defense to keep atleast one linebacker in to spy, because if they don't there is territory to claim in the flats for a running John Beck coming off play action bootleg against a defense that will most likely show our offense some form of base cover 2, which we've seen for the past 2 weeks. With one less LB dropping back it could open up the middle of the field for more intermediate crossing, seam, and skinny post routes.

As for Beck, and his overall ability, it's impossible to know, simply because we haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate assessment. From what I saw of him in the preseason he seems to keep his eyes dowfield in the face of pressure, he works through his progressions quickly, he's willing to adjust by gliding away from pressure, and has the innate ability to complete improvisational throws outside of the pocket. He's taller than Grossman which gives him a distinct advantage when it comes to recognizing throwing lanes, batted balls and noticing coverage downfield. He can manifest throws from awkward positions(leaping in the air off of his back foot, falling to the turf). More importantly, there will never be another team vying for Grossman's services. He is a mediocre system oriented QB. Anyone can see that. If we play Beck, and he happens to inspire awe from other franchises around the league, you can potentially deal him for a future draft pick. If he performs well in the system you might even think about hanging onto him as an interim QB until you can prime a rookie to take over. Do you really want Rex's poor decision making and fearful demeanor in the pocket rubbing off on a impressionable rookie.

The fact that the curiousity exists to see what the next guy can do ultimately means that your intuition is taking over. Follow that, because it is usually the best course of action.

A rock on the field and a hard place on the bench.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Sitting Rex is exactly what we could use against a divisional foe.

What exactly would that say to the locker room?

Head coach makes a firm decision and chooses his starter.

The team starts the season strong and exudes an excellent sense of community and commitment.

Work hard, play for the men next to you and when you earn your starting spot the coaches will back you up with the exact same dedication.

Shanahan walks into the locker room. Wearing his two Super Bowl rings.

"Hey guys we've decided to throw an absolute NFL nobody into the fire this week......just to see what happens. This other guy what's his name again..John. yeah this John Beck character over here... that's right that 30 year old guy right over there hiding in his locker..the one sucking his thumb right now..yeah that guy..he has UPSIDE according to some of the fans. What do we have to lose guys! It's not like we could go 4-1 or anything. Ok good talk. I'm off to go get sized for a new clown costume."

Let's be reality.

[rbanerjee23]

We're 3-1 and that's great -- that being said, Rex has played pretty badly and the defense has had to bail him out. Kyle's playcalling has been pretty suspect as well so both should be put under the microscope this bye week.

[SOUL-SKINS]

This thread is redic. We r 3-1. One pick was on him. I hate fans like you.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

This thread is redic. We r 3-1. One pick was on him. I hate fans like you.

you're redic

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

you're redic

Awww thanks

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

This thread is redic. We r 3-1. One pick was on him. I hate fans like you.

I hate QBs who are stupid idoits dummies. :tongue

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hate QBs who are stupid idoits dummies. :tongue

Not sure what that means but im assuming your're unhappy with Grossmans play.......3-1 dude. One pick his own fault the other was Santana's. Not a great but solid game for Rex