Bradford still leads, Locker Clausen gain

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

No qb in the first round...don't you guys watch the games, JC isn't winning any games but the O-line is actively losing games. You have to fix the weakest link first and that is the o-line, pick up some tackles and shore up the guards.

I agree with you to an extent. But Aaron Rogers is the most sacked QB in the NFL and he's still putting up stellar numbers and winning games. Campbell can't perform under pressure, he needs to go.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I agree with you to an extent. But Aaron Rogers is the most sacked QB in the NFL and he's still putting up stellar numbers and winning games. Campbell can't perform under pressure, he needs to go.

like others have said rogers gets sacked so much because he holds on to the ball wayyyyyyy to long not because his line is falling apart. i'd say more than 50% of the times he is sacked it is his own fault

[KI Skins Fan]

I don't know what to do in the draft to help this team, but I'm sure there is somebody out there who can figure it out. What I'm getting at is this: if he wants to win, Dan Snyder must do the following things before the draft.

1. Fire Vinny.
2. Fire Zorn.
3. Hire a competent GM.
4. Give the new GM full control.
5. Let the new GM hire a new Head Coach of his choosing.
6. Let the new GM consult with the new HC and decide who to draft.

Without a new GM and a new Head Coach, any improvement in the team will be marginal no matter who we get in the draft.

[DBUCHANON101]

Im not going by what kind of offense a QB played in at college, you can either make the throws or not,system doesnt matter IMO.
Alex Smith was a "spread" QB and id have to say he looks better than Quinn from that ND "pro" style offense.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Im not going by what kind of offense a QB played in at college, you can either make the throws or not,system doesnt matter IMO.
Alex Smith was a "spread" QB and id have to say he looks better than Quinn from that ND "pro" style offense.

System does matter. Spread QB's are in shotgun and rarely under center, but experience dropping back from being under center is necessary in the NFL. Also, spread qb's typically are not required to read defenses at the level that drop-back qb's are.

I think Clausen has more pro-style experience and thus would be more likely to make the transition to the NFL smoothly.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by Lotus

System does matter. Spread QB's are in shotgun and rarely under center, but experience dropping back from being under center is necessary in the NFL. Also, spread qb's typically are not required to read defenses at the level that drop-back qb's are.

I think Clausen has more pro-style experience and thus would be more likely to make the transition to the NFL smoothly.

exactly my point. the learning curve is going to be less for a pro-style guy, and if people really want to win sooner rather than later, a pro-style guy is the way to go all the way imo.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Lotus

System does matter. Spread QB's are in shotgun and rarely under center, but experience dropping back from being under center is necessary in the NFL. Also, spread qb's typically are not required to read defenses at the level that drop-back qb's are.

I think Clausen has more pro-style experience and thus would be more likely to make the transition to the NFL smoothly.

I feel its on the player, not the system he ran in college. look at USC and ND lately, both use a "pro" style offense and neither has had a QB come out lately that has been anywhere near impressive. Busts can come from any scheme, you have your Leafs and you have your Klinglers, its all a crapshoot.
Imnot saying Clausen is a bad prospect, i just wouldnt put him ahead of the other QB's simply because of the scheme he played in at ND.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I feel its on the player, not the system he ran in college. look at USC and ND lately, both use a "pro" style offense and neither has had a QB come out lately that has been anywhere near impressive. Busts can come from any scheme, you have your Leafs and you have your Klinglers, its all a crapshoot.
Imnot saying Clausen is a bad prospect, i just wouldnt put him ahead of the other QB's simply because of the scheme he played in at ND.

You are absolutely correct that busts can come from any scheme. I was hardly arguing that Clausen was a lock.

But, since he has been practicing pro style techniques for 4 years, it stands to reason that he might fit in more quickly with the pros.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are absolutely correct that busts can come from any scheme. I was hardly arguing that Clausen was a lock.

But, since he has been practicing pro style techniques for 4 years, it stands to reason in that he might fit in more quickly with the pros.

Notre Dame did a lot of west coast stuff when Clausen first got there, but he played this season nearly exclusively in the shotgun, with three or four wide receivers on the field and no fullback.

I think Stoops and Weis both play that "adjusted" pro-style offense. The fundamentals of what they both preach are rooted in the professional style of football, with five and seven step drops and such, but when you're trying to win college football games, I think what they believe in takes a back seat to what wins college football games, which is a lot of spread concepts and shotgun work.

Of course, with the NFL trending in this direction naturally, I think it's going to open a lot of opportunities for the players who play primarily out of the shotgun. At least, I can only hope.

I think scouts would rather avoid the spread because their evaluations are made a whole lot more difficult by it, but if more than half the draft-eligible quarterbacks play in that system, someone will eventually man up and develop a translation system.

[mlmdub130]

i would rather have a learning curve of a year or so, regardless of who we pick up at qb we don't need them to get in there right away and get ramsey-ed, we need to get our online solid before we insert any new qb

[SmootSmack]

If we want a QB in the first round, I say Clausen

2nd round-Zac Robinson

3rd or beyond-John Skelton or Dominic Randolph

[cdskins26]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If we want a QB in the first round, I say Clausen

2nd round-Zac Robinson

3rd or beyond-John Skelton or Dominic Randolph

When do you think clausen will go in the first round? Do you think he will go before mccoy and bradford?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

When do you think clausen will go in the first round? Do you think he will go before mccoy and bradford?

Probably before McCoy and after Bradford

[mlmdub130]

100% before mccoy and him and bradford is a toss up right no but probably him if i had to chose right now

[mlmdub130]

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u think bradofrd goes first, or are you just saying that because you beleive in santa clausen and want him here?