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[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by illdefined

that makes sense, and sorry i missed the discussion when it happened, but what was wrong with Hasslebeck, who'd been here through all of it?

Tim Hasselbeck is a hell of a nice guy, who is pretty bright. he also has a below average arm, both strength and accuracy-wise. During his brief period of starts here thanks to injuries, he completed 53.7% of his passes, and had a QB rating of 63.6. That's not something to build on. He's also 27 years old - that's by no means an old man, but it falls awkwardly between young gun and wily veteran.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by offiss

Your missing the point, and the point is none of those players were drafted higher than the 3rd rd, they were projects that Beathard took a chance on that they could be developed, a far cry from what we gave up to get Campbell, you also can't compare Gibbs first tenure to today's NFL we now have a salary cap to contend with, you do not give up what we gave up for a first rd QB to make him a project, period!

Basically if Gibbs had any confidence in Ramsey there is no way we take Campbell where we did, what is the point? To have 2 bonified starters on our roster to watch Campbell just sit and eat up our salary cap? Tell me what's the plan for Campbell if Gibbs believes in Ramsey? I would like to know the thinking behind that one? As I said from day 1 the Campbell pick was just plain stupid no matter how you look at it.

If Gibbs believes in Ramsey than all he should have been looking for is a #2 backup to groom, instead we now have neither, Campbell is 3 season's away, and Brunell another Gibbs move well we all saw how that panned out.

My question is this, what happens if Ramsey goes down this season? Does anyone think Campbell can step in? Don't make me laugh at that one, so I guess we are 1 hit away from Brunell and a high 1st rd draft pick next year, oh wait we don't have one, WONDERFUL!

offiss -
We're going to have to agree to disagree. Campbell isn't three years from being ready - I don't think any player is that far. if he isn't ready to play next year, he likely won't ever be. To arbitrarily have him ready in 2008 seems capricious. (I just found a thesaurus).

To say that 2005 is Ramsey's year, despite no history of success (and I'm a huge Ramsey fan) and not be prepared to be wrong would be grossly irresponsible. Brunell will be gone next year, which gives you a choice of Ramsey (whether he's successful or not), a free agent (who will have to adjust to a new offense), or a rookie (who will need to learn not only the offense, but adjust to the speed of the league) - unless you draft a player to learn for a year. The cost was high, true, but if Ramsey can't make the leap this year, what is the alternative?

[Paintrain]

I echo what most have said here in regards to Smoot, that he was good his whole career but Williams just raised his profile.. Also I think that he benefitted (at least in the media sense) from being the 2nd best CB available this offseason behind Samari Rolle. If we kept him then I think he would have been regarded, media wise, as part of a 'solid but unspectacular secondary.' Media types ALWAYS accentuate the negative, it's how they keep their jobs.. I am ok with Harris/Rogers/Wilds as long as Springs stays healthy and Taylor stays focused.

With Ramsey however I tend to agree with the dissentors.. While I don't think Gibbs hates Ramsey as has been insinuated, I don't think he beleives in him either. Two offseasons in a row he has sought to upgrade the position. If you are 100% behind your 26 yr old starter and believe your 34 yr old backup can still play effectively, you don't trade 3 picks for a rookie QB in the 1st round. From all indications it was a smart move since Campbell has impressed thusfar but it's still not the move of a coach who is confident at that position. For those who like to cite the Chargers Brees/Rivers situation, anyone who claims the Chargers are 'happy' to have 2 young talented QB under contract (who are probably taking up close to $10 million in cap space) and on the roster is misguided.. It's better to have a QB you are sure is the future and a solid veteran backup. I don't buy Gibbs assertion 'you get the best football players out there' regarding Campbell when there were other holes that could have been better served by that pick..

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

Tim Hasselbeck is a hell of a nice guy, who is pretty bright. he also has a below average arm, both strength and accuracy-wise. During his brief period of starts here thanks to injuries, he completed 53.7% of his passes, and had a QB rating of 63.6. That's not something to build on. He's also 27 years old - that's by no means an old man, but it falls awkwardly between young gun and wily veteran.

i see; thought he was younger. well, on the bright side, Brunell no longer has an excuse to STAY.

Coach Williams certainly has is work cut out for him this season, he already made miracles last year with little, now he has even less to work with. Wish we could have helped him out more in this year's draft (god knows it's the least he deserves) and i hope both our coaches are still HERE when Campbell finally has a chance to make a difference.

[Paintrain]

I've also noticed that in all of the preseason prognostications there is no mention of Barrow being healthy (according to doctors) and how there should be minimal if any dropoff at MLB if he is able to play.. I honestly think these things are typed in May and they just post them throughout the summer..

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

To say that 2005 is Ramsey's year, despite no history of success (and I'm a huge Ramsey fan) and not be prepared to be wrong would be grossly irresponsible. Brunell will be gone next year, which gives you a choice of Ramsey (whether he's successful or not), a free agent (who will have to adjust to a new offense), or a rookie (who will need to learn not only the offense, but adjust to the speed of the league) - unless you draft a player to learn for a year. The cost was high, true, but if Ramsey can't make the leap this year, what is the alternative?

yup, the more scenarios we hear, the less faith we see Gibbs has in Ramsey. 2nd or 3rd round is being prudent. 1st round over major needs is being straight doubtful.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've also noticed that in all of the preseason prognostications there is no mention of Barrow being healthy (according to doctors) and how there should be minimal if any dropoff at MLB if he is able to play.. I honestly think these things are typed in May and they just post them throughout the summer..

just can't deny Barrow's age. it's already proven in his slow healing - that's why he's been totally written off. sigh.

[Longtimefan]

Despite the fact Gibbs has named Ramsey the starter for the 05 season is "not" a true indication of the fact he has the utmost confidence in him. He was almost forced to remove Brunell from the starting lineup because the team was off to such a poor start. We must remember that Ramsey was here when Gibbs arrived, was not a QB of his choosing. If Brunell is not going to be here after the 05 season, and no one knows just how the future is going to pan out for Ramsey, within a two year period of time we could verey easily be down to Campbell which in all probability has figured into the thinking when we drafted Cambbell. We have no idea what or where Ramsey will be in the next two years, so it's not wise to assume he will be here regardless of what kind of season he has. To some of us dismay, it's difficult to get a true guage on the future of the QB situation until different senerioes play themselves out. However for the short term, and with what we have, the success of the team this year and beyond will boil down to the play of our QB's and the offensive line. I'm hoping that whoever is the QB we will have success, and win games. When we do that I think much of the skepticism surrounding the various elements of the team will subside.

[SmootSmack]

I really like Ramsey and think he can really shine in this league. And I know a lot of us complain about Gibbs not giving Ramsey a fair shake. But he does see Ramsey a lot more than we do, and he sees Campbell.

So maybe he is seeing something that we don't see. Maybe Campbell will ultimately prove to be the better choice longterm. Only time will tell.

By the way, my brother said he saw Campbell and Carlos Rogers the other day. I can't remember where. Says Campbell is a monster, and really ripped. He just towers over Rogers.

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Here's someone on our side

It's about time.