Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

An 'oops' that could mean 'over' for Perry - CNN.com


"Oops

That was his comeback. Perry completed this painful journey not by telling the audience that remembering the third point wasn't as important as remembering his overall message. He didn't tell the audience that forgetting his third point in a debate was not as bad as forgetting how to run the country or fix the economy. He simply said, "Oops." And then the microphone went to one of his seven Republican rivals. Oops indeed."

What effing idoit. I knew this guy was an Epic Fail, it was just a matter of time. Put this up right next to Howard Dean and the Yell.

LOL. No doubt. I was watching the Dean speech live. I felt bad for him when he started screaming. You knew right then it was over.

[firstdown]

I wouldn't vote for perry because of his 80's hair cut.

[12thMan]

And just like that Newt Gingrich is the national front runner. I believe somewhere in this thread we were discussing where would support shift if Cain or Perry imploded. Well in Cain's case Newt has been the benefactor.

This is the first of two polls to be released today showing Newt either gaining significant ground or as the GOP front runner.

Newt Gingrich has taken the lead in PPP's national polling. He's at 28% to 25% for Herman Cain and 18% for Mitt Romney. The rest of the Republican field is increasingly looking like a bunch of also rans: Rick Perry is at 6%, Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul at 5%, Jon Huntsman at 3%, and Gary Johnson and Rick Santorum each at 1%.

[12thMan]

Also worth noting Newt's GOP fav has swung 58 point net improvement from June until now. Amazing if you think about it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Also worth noting Newt's GOP fav has swung 58 point net improvement from June until now. Amazing if you think about it.

When you have 12 candidates...you have none

Meanwhile, Bring the Pain Cain!!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When you have 12 candidates...you have none

Meanwhile, Bring the Pain Cain!!

LOL...he would have done a better job of assessing the opposistion but he doesn't know if that was done by the administration. Disagree with Obama by any means necessary...it's kinda sad he has to look this foolish in the process of doing so.


On a side note, it's very hard for me to understand how men of immense wealth to travel and see the world can be so uncultured to the point where they pride themselves in their ignorance.

[Chico23231]

Gingrich says he received Freddie Mac compensation - Yahoo! News

I love Newt. Flat out lie saying he wasnt a lobbiest and now has to come clean.

Then stomp against an agency you were stratetgizing for...

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL...he would have done a better job of assessing the opposistion but he doesn't know if that was done by the administration. Disagree with Obama by any means necessary...it's kinda sad he has to look this foolish in the process of doing so.


On a side note, it's very hard for me to understand how men of immense wealth to travel and see the world can be so uncultured to the point where they pride themselves in their ignorance.

Yeah Cain definitely messed up, but i dont really care that he had a brain lapse as that happens to the best of us. Whats troubling to me is that, and as you pointed out, he seemed to be taking the stance of disagreeing with Obama by any means necessary. That’s a not a good thing. Perhaps he was just tired or burned out from campaigning and using his energy to fight back against baseless harassment claims instead of thinking about the things he should be thinking about.

And its not like Obama is perfect. He used the tired excuse when he was campaigning and said there were 57 states. More recently (I think 2 days ago) Obama thought he was in Asia when speaking to Hawaiians in his native birth state. Whats extra weird is I don’t think Hawaii is really part of any continent. It just seems really odd for him to say, and honestly I don’t know if Obama meant it or not? I mean he's from Hawaii, maybe thats the way he and some Hawaiians feel?

Obama Now Thinks Hawaii Is In Asia - YouTube

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Yeah Cain definitely messed up, but i dont really care that he had a brain lapse as that happens to the best of us. Whats troubling to me is that, and as you pointed out, he seemed to be taking the stance of disagreeing with Obama by any means necessary. That’s a not a good thing. Perhaps he was just tired or burned out from campaigning and using his energy to fight back against baseless harassment claims instead of thinking about the things he should be thinking about.

And its not like Obama is perfect. He used the tired excuse when he was campaigning and said there were 57 states. More recently (I think 2 days ago) Obama thought he was in Asia when speaking to Hawaiians in his native birth state. Whats extra weird is I don’t think Hawaii is really part of any continent. It just seems really odd for him to say, and honestly I don’t know if Obama meant it or not? I mean he's from Hawaii, maybe thats the way he and some Hawaiians feel?

Obama Now Thinks Hawaii Is In Asia - YouTube

There is misspeaking and then there is Cain and Palin. I mean, Cain just said the following:

"I'm not supposed to know anything about foreign policy. Just thought I'd throw that out," he said to a Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reporter while on his campaign bus on Monday, the afternoon after his interview with the paper's editorial board. "I want to talk to commanders on the ground. Because you run for president (people say) you need to have the answer. No, you don't! No, you don't! That's not good decision-making."

Do you understand the implications of his statement? Would love to get your take on the above.


Let make a few things clear, it's one thing to say 57 states and refer to Hawaii as being part of Asia and another to not know China is already a nuclear power and to believe the president isn't suppose to know something about foreign policy. With respect to Obama would a reasonable person believe the president isn't aware of the number of states in the union and that Hawaii, the state he was born and spent part of his life, is a Polynesian island? I suppose we could discount Cain's gaff over China but the body of evidence against his competence and flaunting of his ignorance with statements such has above I have no recourse but to doubt.

[firstdown]

For me I just think Cain is not a polished poliltiician. Most will just dodge the questions they don't have the answer for Cain sticks his foot in his mouth. Not sure which one is worse. I do agree with Saden it seems he was trying to disagree with Obama to just disagree and I have seen all of them running do this and its stupid.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gingrich says he received Freddie Mac compensation - Yahoo! News

I love Newt. Flat out lie saying he wasnt a lobbiest and now has to come clean.

Then stomp against an agency you were stratetgizing for...

Did not see one thing in that article that said he was a lobbiest.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Did not see one thing in that article that said he was a lobbiest.

No, he was a sub-contractor for a lobbyists getting paid 25k-30k a month. What do you think he did for them for that kind of money? I think he was delivering high class hookers to high powered clients.

[Chico23231]

"Gingrich's history at Freddie Mac began in 1999, when he was hired by the company's top lobbyist, Mitchell Delk. He was brought in for strategic consulting, primarily on legislative and regulatory issues, the company said at the time. That job, which paid about $25,000 to $30,000 a month, lasted until sometime in 2002.

In 2006, Gingrich was hired again on a two-year contract that paid him $300,000 annually, again to provide strategic advice while the company fended off attacks from the right wing of the Republican Party."


Yeah I dont get anything that says lobbyist from those facts.

[Chico23231]

Think im gonna watch the CNN debate tonite. Cant wait to see how the new front runner does, Newt Dogg. Newt Dogg is gonna have to regulateeeeeee

regulate warren g featuring nate dogg - YouTube

[Chico23231]

Ive seen bits and pieces of previous debates, but sat down and really watched the foreign policy debate because I think foreign policy shows who really knows their sh*t when it comes to being president. Couple things stood out, first, Newt Dogg did much better than I anticipated. I agree with his position on illegal immigration which wasnt popular with the crowd or other candidates. Mitt Romney is a smart guy, you can really see improvement from his previous run. He doesnt bring a whole lotta original ideas but hits every key point popular within the party.

Herman Cain and Rick Perry are lost, outta touch foreign policy-wise and its not close. I think Rick Perry could be retarded, something is wrong with him, he doesnt look genuine in any response. He gets off on making outlandish statements which play to GOP, Tea party nuts, but ideological are ridiculous and shows a lack of knowledge. Cain seemed to be bullsh*ting almost every answer and when that wouldnt work he would simply say "I would ask the experts" or something to that affect. Dude your suppose to be the expert.

Ron Paul is good for the field, will make solid points which keep the others honest, but of course sounds crazy with other points (ie "let Israel take care of themselves, they have nukes", did Paul just advocate using nukes in the mid east?)

Bachmann and Huntsman should probably get out, they bring little. Santorem was better than expected.