Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

A 65 QB rating with 4 INTs was playing well enough to start a few games?

The preseason wasn't enough for you to say he was shaky, ok that's fine I guess.

But were you there all during the offseason workouts, during minicamps and training camp?

GAMES, measure his progress in real meaningful games, not worthless fluff. Not everyone is being used, not everyone is playing hard, and the first two games were CLEARLY nothing near a real offense (testing deep passes etc).

I don't think anyone here was calling for brunell BEFORE the bears game, but it sucks that everyone's magically transformed their opinions overnight so they can continue to be gibbs apologists.

NEITHER QB has proved their worth their contracts, but this crap about how preseason means nothing goes out the window once it supports your/gibbs position?

Roth should be tossed, manning, they all sucked in preseason, bench them all. No other starters got benched after 1 int and 19 minutes this season. If you think gibbs decision is the best for the team that's fine, but i'm not buying this ramsey is horrible compared to brunell crap, they both suck equally. Ramsey just keeps defenders 10 yards farther down the field.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

For all that are calling Joe "a liar", would you rather have him stick to a preseason call to name Patrick as the starter QB or win football games....call me crazy or selfish even, but I would like to start winning football games.

calling gibbs a liar and wanting to win games aren't mutually exclusive. You can say he made the move he thought he needed to to win games, but still know that he told EVERYONE every chance he got that ramsey was the starter up until 19minutes into the game. technically he never lied, but in spirit its pretty obvious what he said and what he really wanted/was going to do were very different things.

[JWsleep]

52 pages and we haven't settled this yet??? LOL

[firstdown]

I don't know if this has been discussed but what I have read says that its a rumor that Ramsey has request to be traded. Jansen said while Ramsey is disappointed he said nothing to him about wanted to be traded and they are good friends.

[offiss]

It's a good thing for the NFL that Favre wasen't a redskin under Gibbs, as eratic as he was early on he would be backing up in the arena league by the time Gibbs got through with him, instead of the NFL darling that he has become.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

52 pages and we haven't settled this yet??? LOL

Hopefully it will be settled very soon, with the Brunell people being right (even tho i'm a Ramsey guy). I said it before and I'll say it again tho, this place might have to shut down for a week if Brunell plays like ass on Monday.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Brunell rocked last season's preseason too, those are very special and limited circumstances. *if only* it translated 1:1 to the regular season..

Rocked? Both Brunell and Ramsey sucked last year in preseason and the starting spot went to the one who sucked the lease. If I remember correctly Hasselback looked just as good as they did.

[MTK]

This is what it all boils down to for me:

If Gibbs came out and said Ramsey is starting this week, I would have supported the decision 110%.

Instead he came out and said it's going to be Brunell, and again I support the decision 110%.

He's doing what he believes is best for the Redskins. He's not trying to win a popularity contest, he's trying to win football games.

Do I think Brunell is so much better than Ramsey at this point, no I don't. But I guess you can call me a loyal soldier. I'm falling in line and standing behind the coach. If Gibbs says we're going to battle with Brunell at the helm this week, then Brunell is my guy.

Rather than trying to swim against the tide, I'm trying to put myself in Gibbs' shoes to try to rationalize the decision. I can understand arguments from both sides, but in the end I'm going to side with the coach and trust his judgement.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Rocked? Both Brunell and Ramsey sucked last year in preseason and the starting spot went to the one who sucked the lease. If I remember correctly Hasselback looked just as good as they did.

Your on the money FD, Everyone assumes because Brunell was named the starter by Gibbs after a 42 mil contract [what a surprise] that he blew Ramsey away, not the case, 1 pass play seperated the 2 of them, and that was a long TD pass from brunell to McCants, and you are right about Hasselbach except for 1 point he looked better than both of them in pre-season, wonder why HE didn't start?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Rocked? Both Brunell and Ramsey sucked last year in preseason and the starting spot went to the one who sucked the lease. If I remember correctly Hasselback looked just as good as they did.

point is Brunell was picked over Ramsey because of his offseason work. Gibbs bet on that and lost. he's doing that exact same thing again only this time with an even older, less practiced Brunell.

[RedskinRat]

I still believe that there is more to this than a simple yank of a QB.

Coach Gibbs knows what he's doing, because he's done it all before. He has people around him that he trusts implicitly, he takes their advice where it's needed to fill in a blank or provide more evidence for his hunch.

Bottom line: I trust the Coach, he has the pedigree.

But I still can't wait until Campbell starts for us some day.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This is what it all boils down to for me:

If Gibbs came out and said Ramsey is starting this week, I would have supported the decision 110%.

Instead he came out and said it's going to be Brunell, and again I support the decision 110%.

He's doing what he believes is best for the Redskins. He's not trying to win a popularity contest, he's trying to win football games.

Do I think Brunell is so much better than Ramsey at this point, no I don't. But I guess you can call me a loyal soldier. I'm falling in line and standing behind the coach. If Gibbs says we're going to battle with Brunell at the helm this week, then Brunell is my guy.

Rather than trying to swim against the tide, I'm trying to put myself in Gibbs' shoes to try to rationalize the decision. I can understand arguments from both sides, but in the end I'm going to side with the coach and trust his judgement.

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING IN EACH FORUM, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BASICALLY FOCUSED ON THE QB CHANGE.

I AM A WASHINGTON REDSKINS FAN-300%. ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE AND I AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF MY COACH. I THINK EVERYONE IS TAKING THE CHANGE PERSONAL AND THIS IS NOT THE CASE. COACH GIBBS MADE A CHANGE THAT, AS A LOYAL 'SKINS FAN, I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE HE THINKS IS FOR THE BETTER AND SUCCESS OF THE TEAM. PERIOD...JUST SUPPORT THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WINNING GAMES.

WHO KNOWS-IF BRUNNELL DOES NOT PRODUCE, HE MAY BE OUT OF A JOB BY GAME 3 AND IN COMES ROOKIE, JASON CAMPBELL.

WHATEVER WINS BALL GAMES IS MY POSITION AND I THINK JOE HAS PROVEN TO THIS ORGANIZATION BEFORE, HE KNOWS HOW TO WIN BALL GAMES!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

52 pages and we haven't settled this yet??? LOL

Another 52 and it will still not be decided. We have three views one who trust Gibbs decision and will stand by him and feel maybe Brunell may offer a little more, one that thinks Ramsey has not been given a chance, and another who thinks Ramsey is better than Brunell.

My conclusion is that if we are using Brunell as a way to rate Ramsey then we have set the bar might low for him. We know Brunell is running out of gas and just hope he has enough to finish the season with a little respect. So the only thing we have left is Campbell and he will be playing this year leaving Gibbs three years to make a run for the SB.We should have seen this coming back on the first day of the draft.

[jermus22]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I don't think anyone here was calling for brunell BEFORE the bears game, but it sucks that everyone's magically transformed their opinions overnight so they can continue to be gibbs apologists.

Relax, dude. I'm definitely one of those guys who wasn't calling for Brunell before the game, and personally I would've let Ramsey continue as the starter while keeping him on a short leash for the next two or three games. But I also realize that Gibbs deserves our confidence after HOF induction and getting three Super Bowl rings. And Ramsey did turn the ball over three times in 19 minutes! I'm not saying your opinion doesn't count, but the truth is this: 1. you haven't been in all the team meetings, 2. you haven't been in the locker room, and 3. you've never coached the Washington Redskins. It's cool if you wanna disagree with people on this site, but you don't need to bash on Gibbs.

[illdefined]

just a small test of your faith: did everyone support the coach 110% in keeping Brunell for all of the 9 games last year?