2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Not so fast my friend: From Rasmussen. "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided."

Colorado '12 Presidential General Election Poll - Wednesday, August 8, 2012 - 2012 Election - POLITICO.com

Election 2012 Polling and News, Republican Presidential Candidates, Obama, Interactive Polling Data

More 2008 Obama Voters Than McCain Voters Switching Sides

Democratic Voting Enthusiasm Down Sharply From 2004, 2008

and now that saden's on the hook for more coin.....here's why Romney wins big in Nov. 2012: Root: Why Obama Will Lose in a Landslide | TheBlaze.com

Bro, just wait till the Obama campaign starts kicking in those Romney/Ryan Budget/Ayn Rand ads you'll see those number plummet faster than Enron stock.

Most people don't know who he is, but they'll soon find out fast he's the guy that wants to take their SS/medicare/medicaid away.

[MTK]

Romney in a landslide?

Hilarious.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Paul Ryan has passed a grand total of two bills in 13 years of being in Congress. One was naming a post office. They got nothing.

Funny you say that.....reminds me of a certain liberal Senator who is now POTUS that only had two bills passed into law. Another typical lib attack point, anything to stay off the piss-poor economy, unemployment, high energy prices, and gov't takeover of the healthcare system.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

as FD mentioned, last I checked it wasn't the gov'ts job to "give" wealth to anyone. In your post you mention "redistributing" wealth.....shows clearly what side of the spectrum you fall under.....I'd say far left of 12th and saden. Nothing in the Romney/Paul plan takes from the middle class and gives to the "rich", another typical lib talking point.

I don't recall saying that the government needed to give wealth to the poor. The can however tax the rich people appropriately so guys like Mitt Romney can't get lower tax brackets than those who have much less. Nothing in Romney/Paul plan takes away from middle class? Really? The plan would actually increase taxes on the middle class, yet cut taxes for the upper class.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This is your insight, outright lies and distortions of Ryan's plan by; the Center for American Progress, Ezra Klein and the Atlantic (plus an article from 2011), all left-wing hacks. LOL, again par for the course with you. How about I give you some insight so you can get your head out of your ass:

How about this source?

Would Paul Ryan's budget give Mitt Romney zero taxes? - latimes.com

Yeah. Dude outright lies? Come on man. Left wing hacks that were truthful? So in other words, you have nothing to retort with or can't disprove any of it. Gotcha.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Funny you say that.....reminds me of a certain liberal Senator who is now POTUS that only had two bills passed into law. Another typical lib attack point, anything to stay off the piss-poor economy, unemployment, high energy prices, and gov't takeover of the healthcare system.

Obama didn't spend thirteen years in Congress and neither was he holding himself up as some fiscal hawk. Rep. Ryan also voted to raise the debt ceiling 7 times under Bush. More phone fiscal conservatism. Not surprising.

Thank God the local media outlets around the country aren't drinking the Rove Kool Aid and taking him to task over his record. The Florida newspapers are pounding him in the headlines.

#Awesome

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Obama didn't spend thirteen years in Congress and neither was he holding himself up as some fiscal hawk. Rep. Ryan also voted to raise the debt ceiling 7 times under Bush. More phone fiscal conservatism. Not surprising.

so when Obama "moves to the middle" (translation, forced to by GOP House) it's compromise and working across the aisle for the good of the American people. But when Ryan compromises, it's phony fiscal conservatism... #leftwinghypocrisy

[12thMan]

Forced by the GOP House? You mean the least productive Congress since the 40s? You mean the House that passed only 80 friggin bills in 2011? Voted to repeal Obamacare 33 times! and renamed more than a dozen post offices?

If we had some adults on the other side of the aisle your criticism would be valid.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

How about this source?

Would Paul Ryan's budget give Mitt Romney zero taxes? - latimes.com

Yeah. Dude outright lies? Come on man. Left wing hacks that were truthful? So in other words, you have nothing to retort with or can't disprove any of it. Gotcha.

Certainly not unbiased, but better. At least they put forth some facts: "Whether the attack is true or not depends on which version of Ryan’s plan one looks at....." Obama campaign folks are touting a 2010 proposal.....which Romney opposed and he's at the top of the ticket.

"the latest version of the Ryan budget, which the House approved this spring, leaves the fate of capital gains taxes uncertain. The plan would change the income tax by moving from the current six rates to two — 10% and 25% — and would cut other taxes to the tune of $4.5 trillion over the next decade, over and above the tax cuts enacted under George W. Bush, which it would keep in place. But it makes no specific proposal about capital gains."

The left doesn't mention Ryan's budget proposal also closes tax loopholes for the rich. It also lowers the rate for the middle-class. In all, Ryan’s budget spends $1.028 trillion during the upcoming fiscal year, less than the $1.047 trillion cap approved by Congress last year and built into Obama’s budget. In the long run, it reduces federal spending from 24 percent of the GDP to 20 percent by 2015 and will balance by 2040.

But facts aren't good for Obama's re-election so the left will play the class-warfare card and many will unfortunately buy-in.


Outright lie #1 from your link on Big Oil: "It ends the guarantee of decent insurance for senior citizens, breaking Medicare’s bedrock promise."

I debuked this in an earlier post.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Forced by the GOP House? You mean the least productive Congress since the 40s? You mean the House that passed only 80 friggin bills in 2011? Voted to repeal Obamacare 33 times! and renamed more than a dozen post offices?

If we had some adults on the other side of the aisle your criticism would be valid.

Adults understand that just because you have checks doesn't mean you still have money.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Bro, just wait till the Obama campaign starts kicking in those Romney/Ryan Budget/Ayn Rand ads you'll see those number plummet faster than Enron stock.

Most people don't know who he is, but they'll soon find out fast he's the guy that wants to take their SS/medicare/medicaid away.

Please show me where PR has said any of this.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Adults understand that just because you have checks doesn't mean you still have money.

Adults yes, the juveniles on the republican side of the isle don't realize that their actions.....excuse me,their inaction makes people suffer needlessly.
Stuff like this needs to stop.............


Boehner's Office Says Obama Avoiding Personal Responsibility For Drought | TPM Livewire

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Not so fast my friend: From Rasmussen. "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided."

Colorado '12 Presidential General Election Poll - Wednesday, August 8, 2012 - 2012 Election - POLITICO.com

Election 2012 Polling and News, Republican Presidential Candidates, Obama, Interactive Polling Data

More 2008 Obama Voters Than McCain Voters Switching Sides

Democratic Voting Enthusiasm Down Sharply From 2004, 2008

and now that saden's on the hook for more coin.....here's why Romney wins big in Nov. 2012: Root: Why Obama Will Lose in a Landslide | TheBlaze.com

SS33, you have lost your marbles...seek medical attention immediately and if you need help in that regard I'm more than willing to chip in.

[Dirtbag59]

I don't get why creating a climate thats business friendly within reason is a bad thing.

Say you increase the corporate tax rate to 35% instead of Romneys 25% proposal and all of a sudden an evil corporation making $100 million is paying $35 million instead of $25 million.

How many people can be hired with that extra $10 million. How many extra capital assets could be bought. How much R&D could be done with an extra $10 million. And we're going to trust that money to a dysfunctional government?

The bottom line is corporations don't care. They go where it's in their best interest. It's not personal to them. You raise taxes, force them to buy equipment to conform to ridiculous EPA regulations, raise capital gain taxes discouraging people from investing in the stock market and you can watch them go elsewhere along with potential jobs. They want to stay here. Logistically it's better to stay in the States closest to most of their customers, heck a lot of companies want to stay in the States but we're making it harder and harder.

You already see it within the country where practically the only reason anyone stays in New York, DC, and LA is because enough power brokers and decision makers have decided to stay there (ie Networking).

Meanwhile countless companies have moved to lower cost business friendly cities like Dallas Houston, and Atlanta to the point where those respective cities are ranked right behind New York for the highest number of corporate HQ's.

Bottom line we keep trying to punish the companies that could be giving us jobs and producing better and better products with higher taxes, costly regulations, and a population thats finding it harder and harder to invest in the stock market (which saw a lot of middle class people move up a few classes during the bull markets of the 80's and 90's).

We need to drop the grudge with Wall Street and let them get back work and in turn put people back to work. Granted regulations have their place and are vital to fair play but many of the laws passed by this administration have been overkill

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Adults yes, the juveniles on the republican side of the isle don't realize that their actions.....excuse me,their inaction makes people suffer needlessly.
Stuff like this needs to stop.............


Boehner's Office Says Obama Avoiding Personal Responsibility For Drought | TPM Livewire

You're right, Obama politicizing every single issue needs to stop. While the House has passed emergency relief to farmers, the Dem controlled Senate is the hold-up. On top of that the Obama Admin is still doing the bidding of the environemntal lobby by forcing corn needed for the food supply to be set aside for ethanol....and also exported.

House Republicans Pass Drought Relief and Delay Farm Bill - Bloomberg

White House offers drought relief, feels heat to waive ethanol mandate - Economy Watch

Drought and ethanol: How Congress’ mandates and the EPA’s new policy are hurting Americans. - Slate Magazine

[Dirtbag59]

Back to the election. I don't know how the election is going to turn out and I'm pretty sure the Presidential debate is going to be a stutter fest. However I think it's safe to say Ryan will absolutely destroy Biden in the Vice Presidential debate.