Chase Young or Three First Round Picks?

[AnonEmouse]

I suspect RR is worried about us replicating the Rams and going SB or bust so wasn't going to go all out in FA, especially with a thin crop. But I agree that we've been too cautious. We needed to strengthen at least at CB, FS, 2 or 3 LB spots, TE, WR and OL, particularly TE and OL. For me, if they decided to go all out on D we'd have at least picked up the likes of Boston, Littleton, Schobel and Jones, leaving the draft to pick up O. Instead we made a 70% effort to sign Cooper, 90% effort for Hooper and missed out on the best LB and DB prospects. So we have depth, and maybe there is a lot to be said for the impact of character and culture across the whole team. But I agree we missed out on 2-3 ideal guys at least and I'm not sure why. As said, we can't carry across cap space so what are we going to do with so much spare sloshing around this year? Who's coming up in FA next year to warrant avoiding expensive multi year contracts this year? Are we looking to make a few pre/post draft trades that eat up cap?

I like the idea of playing our cards close to our chest, but we're in danger of telling the rest of the league we don't actually have a hand if we're not careful.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I suspect RR is worried about us replicating the Rams and going SB or bust so wasn't going to go all out in FA, especially with a thin crop. But I agree that we've been too cautious. We needed to strengthen at least at CB, FS, 2 or 3 LB spots, TE, WR and OL, particularly TE and OL. For me, if they decided to go all out on D we'd have at least picked up the likes of Boston, Littleton, Schobel and Jones, leaving the draft to pick up O. Instead we made a 70% effort to sign Cooper, 90% effort for Hooper and missed out on the best LB and DB prospects. So we have depth, and maybe there is a lot to be said for the impact of character and culture across the whole team. But I agree we missed out on 2-3 ideal guys at least and I'm not sure why. As said, we can't carry across cap space so what are we going to do with so much spare sloshing around this year? Who's coming up in FA next year to warrant avoiding expensive multi year contracts this year? Are we looking to make a few pre/post draft trades that eat up cap?

I like the idea of playing our cards close to our chest, but we're in danger of telling the rest of the league we don't actually have a hand if we're not careful.

Where has it been stated that cap space cant be carried forward? That would be a big change from previous seasons

[Number44]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I suspect RR is worried about us replicating the Rams and going SB or bust so wasn't going to go all out in FA, especially with a thin crop. But I agree that we've been too cautious. We needed to strengthen at least at CB, FS, 2 or 3 LB spots, TE, WR and OL, particularly TE and OL. For me, if they decided to go all out on D we'd have at least picked up the likes of Boston, Littleton, Schobel and Jones, leaving the draft to pick up O. Instead we made a 70% effort to sign Cooper, 90% effort for Hooper and missed out on the best LB and DB prospects. So we have depth, and maybe there is a lot to be said for the impact of character and culture across the whole team. But I agree we missed out on 2-3 ideal guys at least and I'm not sure why. As said, we can't carry across cap space so what are we going to do with so much spare sloshing around this year? Who's coming up in FA next year to warrant avoiding expensive multi year contracts this year? Are we looking to make a few pre/post draft trades that eat up cap?

I like the idea of playing our cards close to our chest, but we're in danger of telling the rest of the league we don't actually have a hand if we're not careful.

70% effort on Cooper? We reportedly offered him $110 million over 5 years. More than any team in the league, including Dallas. So you're saying we should have offered $145 million? Really? Frankly, I think our offer was too much as it was, and I'm glad he didn't take it. I do like the idea of only offering big money to the very best out there in free agency, and not overpay for talent that isn't quite star quality. Otherwise, minor improvements to our roster with veteran role players with some upside at little cost or risk doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

By the way, unused cap space can be carried forward. You are wrong about that.

I disagree with your apparent overall viewpoint that we should outbid every team on every player. Heck, we've overpaid for has-been players for years. That's been part of our problem under Bruce Allen. The "win the off-season" approach failed miserably. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing what Rivera and Smith can do, and I'm willing to give them the chance to do it.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Number44

70% effort on Cooper? We reportedly offered him $110 million over 5 years. More than any team in the league, including Dallas. So you're saying we should have offered $145 million? Really? Frankly, I think our offer was too much as it was, and I'm glad he didn't take it. I do like the idea of only offering big money to the very best out there in free agency, and not overpay for talent that isn't quite star quality. Otherwise, minor improvements to our roster with veteran role players with some upside at little cost or risk doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

By the way, unused cap space can be carried forward. You are wrong about that.

I disagree with your apparent overall viewpoint that we should outbid every team on every player. Heck, we've overpaid for has-been players for years. That's been part of our problem under Bruce Allen. The "win the off-season" approach failed miserably. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing what Rivera and Smith can do, and I'm willing to give them the chance to do it.

I meant we put 70% effort into the negotiations, not offered 70% of what we should. If we'd sounded him out on what it would take to leave Dallas, we may not have got him anyway because of the tax situation (US tax system always confuses me, but probably no worse than ours&#128522. What I read makes it sound like we didn't come close enough for him to consider the offer. That's all.

And I'm definitely not saying we should outbid every team, but there were guys that at least on the face of it either didn't negotiate with or didn't do so seriously. I can only go by what I can see on the web, so maybe you guys know more, but aside from the bids on Cooper & Hooper, I've seen no sign of approaches to some of the names I mentioned. From what I saw and read about Littleton, for example, he would be a good fit. Did we even try?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I meant we put 70% effort into the negotiations, not offered 70% of what we should. If we'd sounded him out on what it would take to leave Dallas, we may not have got him anyway because of the tax situation (US tax system always confuses me, but probably no worse than ours&#128522. What I read makes it sound like we didn't come close enough for him to consider the offer. That's all.

And I'm definitely not saying we should outbid every team, but there were guys that at least on the face of it either didn't negotiate with or didn't do so seriously. I can only go by what I can see on the web, so maybe you guys know more, but aside from the bids on Cooper & Hooper, I've seen no sign of approaches to some of the names I mentioned. From what I saw and read about Littleton, for example, he would be a good fit. Did we even try?

Again, Dallas offered $37mil more in guarantees. It probably wasn't a tough decision for Cooper to make.

I think perhaps they might like to see what they have in Hamilton, Bostic, Clemons, Foster, Holcomb, Anderson, Pierre-Louis, etc, before ponying up $32mil for another linebacker.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

(US tax system always confuses me, but probably no worse than ours&#128522.

Actually, they have simplified our system. We have a new 2-line tax return form:

Line 1: How much did you earn in 2019?

Line 2: Send it in.

[EdmundDorf]

Biggest improvements will come from coaching, this year is needed to establish the new regime, with everything else going on and a lack of draft picks there is not going to be a lot of chance to gain ground on the leading teams, they need to establish the core team rather than spend a fortune on average players

[KI Skins Fan]

1. RR has made it crystal clear that he intends to build this team through the draft.

2. Free Agency isn't over yet. We can still add a good stopgap LT on a 1 year deal, for example.

3. After over two decades of inept FA deals, we Redskins fans can't even grasp what RR is trying to do in FA. I really don't feel like going into detail about why I think he's doing the right thing in FA but just remember my first point: He intends to build through the draft. If you just put the players he has added in categories, you'll see more clearly what he is doing. Most of these players won't be here in one or two years but we have to play an NFL schedule as we improve and RR wants to build the team without being absolutely horrible in the process.

4. We're not done trading people and picking up more draft picks. I believe that Trent Williams will be traded prior to the draft, probably for multiple picks. Ryan Kerrigan may be traded, as well.

5. RR is gonna build this team the right way. It's not going to happen overnight and he sure as hell isn't going to do it the way we're used to seeing business done around here.

This has been one man's opinion.

[AnonEmouse]

Sorry misunderstood about carrying cap space. But don't we have a requirement to spend at least 89%? With the numbers being talked about, we must be a way under that right now?

[Ohioskins]

Chief X I am looking at their offensive line which is a really bad joke right now with just two proven legit NFL players on it right now. Heck they should have been looking to upgrade from Moses and instead he is now pretty much a lock to make the team. With a young QB, RR should have been looking to provide him with the best protection possible. He has not done that. Heck it does not even look as if he tried to develop a good quality offensive line to protect his young QB.

I want to be clear, I am not as concerned about the receivers. But to me he has failed in acquiring talent for a reliable offensive line.

Second, I am concerned about his failure to get a strong replacement for Dunbar. If he wants to be a defense first team, he should have spent the money to acquire a very good DB to replace Dunbar and have a true "lock down" defense. Derby IS NOT what I or any reasonable football should have had in mind.

The fact is the only "hole" RR seems to have filled is depth at RB if Guice is hurt again. Beyond that he has done nothing much. His acquisition for Fuller is off set by his loss of Dunbar.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

Chief X I am looking at their offensive line which is a really bad joke right now with just two proven legit NFL players on it right now. Heck they should have been looking to upgrade from Moses and instead he is now pretty much a lock to make the team. With a young QB, RR should have been looking to provide him with the best protection possible. He has not done that. Heck it does not even look as if he tried to develop a good quality offensive line to protect his young QB.

I want to be clear, I am not as concerned about the receivers. But to me he has failed in acquiring talent for a reliable offensive line.

Second, I am concerned about his failure to get a strong replacement for Dunbar. If he wants to be a defense first team, he should have spent the money to acquire a very good DB to replace Dunbar and have a true "lock down" defense. Derby IS NOT what I or any reasonable football should have had in mind.

The fact is the only "hole" RR seems to have filled is depth at RB if Guice is hurt again. Beyond that he has done nothing much. His acquisition for Fuller is off set by his loss of Dunbar.

Develop is the key word. I have heard more than once that they like the current roster, and are eager to see what they can get out of the current roster with better coaching and leadership.

Fact is, they have added to the O-line. Time will tell, but Lucas is probably equal to or better than Penn at this point in their careers. Martin showed what he's capable of and is probably equal to or better than Flowers - higher ceiling. The rest is the same, with arguably better depth now. They still have the TW situation to unfold, and I doubt they are done...

Patience is a virtue...

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

Chief X I am looking at their offensive line which is a really bad joke right now with just two proven legit NFL players on it right now. Heck they should have been looking to upgrade from Moses and instead he is now pretty much a lock to make the team. With a young QB, RR should have been looking to provide him with the best protection possible. He has not done that. Heck it does not even look as if he tried to develop a good quality offensive line to protect his young QB.

I want to be clear, I am not as concerned about the receivers. But to me he has failed in acquiring talent for a reliable offensive line.

Second, I am concerned about his failure to get a strong replacement for Dunbar. If he wants to be a defense first team, he should have spent the money to acquire a very good DB to replace Dunbar and have a true "lock down" defense. Derby IS NOT what I or any reasonable football should have had in mind.

The fact is the only "hole" RR seems to have filled is depth at RB if Guice is hurt again. Beyond that he has done nothing much. His acquisition for Fuller is off set by his loss of Dunbar.

You apparently seem certain that Darby won't return to his career norm. I'm not so sure about that and apparently RR isn't, either.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Number44

You apparently seem certain that Darby won't return to his career norm. I'm not so sure about that and apparently RR isn't, either.

Players with Darby's injury history rarely do ,I think it was a decent signing for depth.

[Ohioskins]

Depth yes. But he is being signed as a likely starter. That is the problem.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Currently your looking at Moreau/Fuller/Darby, with Moreland, Johnson, Stroman, Thomas as the backups.

I like the top 4, especially if Darby is fully healthy, but it wouldn't hurt to add another piece, either from a cap casualty before the season, or in the draft.