When is Enough ,Enough?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

As i said, I am sure a similar montage of msnbc hosts raving about Pres Obama could be made.

The "news" channels no longer report just the facts they all shade it with heavy positional bias.

There is no way in hell a similar montage exists about Obama and msnbc to that extent of hypocrisy. No way. There is changing your tune, and there is changing your entire album. Lol.

[Chico23231]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/polit...ntv/index.html

James Clapper: US is 'in a much better place' after Trump-Kim summit

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said the US is in a "much better place" after the summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

"We're in a much better place ... where we're on the diplomatic path, as opposed to where we were six or eight months ago," Clapper told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Tuesday night.

Clapper said the change in the US approach to North Korea -- particularly the end to a US policy against negotiating with the isolated nation until it had fully denuclearized -- is a positive one.

Diplomacy is "the only real solution" to North Korea, Clapper said on "Anderson Cooper 360."

James Clapper is now endorsing Chico's post...in which Diplomacy path is being recognized. Funny how the word "Diplomacy" didn't get a lot of play yesterday...but several months ago the left was screaming Diplomacy when dealing with North Korea instead of "button size"

Make no mistake...NO fucking mistake....China told Kim that Trump was extremely serious in military action against him and his regime...China then advised Kim to change the path because they would not tolerate a US presence up against their border. This is missed by many.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/polit...ntv/index.html



James Clapper: US is 'in a much better place' after Trump-Kim summit



Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said the US is in a "much better place" after the summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.



"We're in a much better place ... where we're on the diplomatic path, as opposed to where we were six or eight months ago," Clapper told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Tuesday night.



Clapper said the change in the US approach to North Korea -- particularly the end to a US policy against negotiating with the isolated nation until it had fully denuclearized -- is a positive one.



Diplomacy is "the only real solution" to North Korea, Clapper said on "Anderson Cooper 360."



James Clapper is now endorsing Chico's post...in which Diplomacy path is being recognized. Funny how the word "Diplomacy" didn't get a lot of play yesterday...but several months ago the left was screaming Diplomacy when dealing with North Korea instead of "button size"



Make no mistake...NO fucking mistake....China told Kim that Trump was extremely serious in military action against him and his regime...China then advised Kim to change the path because they would not tolerate a US presence up against their border. This is missed by many.

Are you serious man?
1) he said, and you can re-read your own quote, that we are in a much better place than we were 6-8 MONTHS AGO. Well. Yeah. That is when Trump was calling him names on Twitter.
2) This is like the 30th time in the last 20 years that NK has “promised” to de-nuke. Guess what? Everyone else he told that too was smart enough not to take a victory lap. But its ok when Kim doesn’t de-nuke, and he wont, you can just blame Obama, or Bill Clinton, or the Kennedys, or CNN, or G-one, or the Easter Bunny, or Kaep, or AT&T.
3) stop spinning shit man - u r a bigger propaganda machine than NK and Fox together. “Diplomacy” got plenty of play yesterday - problem is that past the handshake, and photo op - the “deal” was terrible. Lol. But dont let me ruin your good time.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/polit...ntv/index.html



James Clapper: US is 'in a much better place' after Trump-Kim summit



Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said the US is in a "much better place" after the summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.



"We're in a much better place ... where we're on the diplomatic path, as opposed to where we were six or eight months ago," Clapper told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Tuesday night.



Clapper said the change in the US approach to North Korea -- particularly the end to a US policy against negotiating with the isolated nation until it had fully denuclearized -- is a positive one.



Diplomacy is "the only real solution" to North Korea, Clapper said on "Anderson Cooper 360."



James Clapper is now endorsing Chico's post...in which Diplomacy path is being recognized. Funny how the word "Diplomacy" didn't get a lot of play yesterday...but several months ago the left was screaming Diplomacy when dealing with North Korea instead of "button size"



Make no mistake...NO fucking mistake....China told Kim that Trump was extremely serious in military action against him and his regime...China then advised Kim to change the path because they would not tolerate a US presence up against their border. This is missed by many.

He called our military “provocative”???? Our military operations which are providing insurance against this nut job with nukes is provocative? Im sorry. I thought kim and NK were the provocative ones? If Obama ever made that comment u would be calling him pussy all over this board, but Trump does it and it is “make no fuckin mistake about it TOUGH”. Ok man. Must be nice to live in parallel universes. How convenient.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He called our military “provocative”???? Our military operations which are providing insurance against this nut job with nukes is provocative? Im sorry. I thought kim and NK were the provocative ones? If Obama ever made that comment u would be calling him pussy all over this board, but Trump does it and it is “make no fuckin mistake about it TOUGH”. Ok man. Must be nice to live in parallel universes. How convenient.

I think Trump, like most good faith diplomacy, has to give a "bone" to the North Koreans. And lets think about this...Trump didn't just do this yesterday...we are allll aware that we have been in talks/negotiations for about a month.

I know the bias media is now worried about these yearly, 2 weeks training exercises...because it has very little to criticize. You do understand the North Koreans wanted nuclear umbrella gone, immediate sanction relief, government aid and the removal for American troops along its border...these exercises as a chip of good faith changes very little militarily about the US commitment to South Korea and the region.

[Chico23231]

I think the media coverage of this whole event is shameful to the American people. To hear the fear, the lack of facts, and lies its pretty unreal. We should be excited and hopeful. The tone changed but our posture is still strong and ready.

I think if this would have happened 3 years ago the press would be celebrating.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think the media coverage of this whole event is shameful to the American people. To hear the fear, the lack of facts, and lies its pretty unreal. We should be excited and hopeful. The tone changed but our posture is still strong and ready.



I think if this would have happened 3 years ago the press would be celebrating.

What?!?!?!?
Our posture is strong? He just gushed all over a murderous dictator for the world to see and our posture is strong? Wow. Ok.
The only thing shameful is how Fox has changed their tune since Obama wanted to meet with NK. But don’t let actual hypocritical very real video footage get in the way. Just ignore it and say that the left is doing it. Hahahaha. Wow what a simple playbook Trump has given you all.
Everyone is hopeful Chico, but the bottom line is that he gave Kim very tangible things, and praises him to the point of worship- “he loves his people, and they love him”. Really? Kim gave us the same promise he has made 20 times since 2000. That is a fact. Just that When Trump gets told the same old lie he surrounds it with pompous circumstance to rile up his base before anything real has even happened- and it works - look at you. You are acting like all the nukes are gone from the peninsula and Disney just opened a giant park there. You do realize that NOTHING has changed? NOTHING.
Now go ahead and throw the hope, peace, and love words at me. Good luck. You are pinning that hope on a murderous dictator who kills his own family and feeds this same line of denuclearization to every tom dick and harry he needs something from. Most others don’t negotiate with the mad man. But Trump, the brilliant deal maker (see the long list of bad deals) just got suckered like a school boy on the grandest stage. But honestly i dont know why im trying to explain reality to u, because like him - you will never admit when he is wrong.

[Chico23231]

Well, Trump didn't give 4 billion to NK like Bill Clinton and then offered assistance in building Nuclear reactors (energy purposes only *wink)

or Trump didn't release 400 billion to Iran which the state department has evidence this money was used in an arms deal with Russia, arm rebels and engage in an proxy war in Yeman and finance terrorist operations against Israel via Hezbollah.....like Obama did.


Im sure you will give your approval of both...

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well, Trump didn't give 4 billion to NK like Bill Clinton and then offered assistance in building Nuclear reactors (energy purposes only *wink)



or Trump didn't release 400 billion to Iran which the state department has evidence this money was used in an arms deal with Russia, arm rebels and engage in an proxy war in Yeman and finance terrorist operations against Israel via Hezbollah.....like Obama did.





Im sure you will give your approval of both...

Are you referring to the 400 MILLION big difference that Obama did not give to Iran to release hostages? Where do you get your news? Fox? Facebook? Serious question.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...u-s-prisoners/

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Are you referring to the 400 MILLION big difference that Obama did not give to Iran to release hostages? Where do you get your news? Fox? Facebook? Serious question.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...u-s-prisoners/

Ha 400 billion is a lil much. We could finance their terror operations for the next 100 years. Thanks for catching that.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ha 400 billion is a lil much. We could finance their terror operations for the next 100 years. Thanks for catching that.

I will give 400 billion to someone that can make grass seed that grows instantly into lush green grass with no work involved. Seriously becoming a sloppy time to drink around my fire pit.
Seriously though- C Red made a comment earlier about how he was sure he could find a hypocritical video montage from msnbc where they change their tune on an issue based on which side was the perpetrator, and that was the only point i was trying to make this morning- i mean please watch that fox video i posted. Not sure how that bought us back to clinton and obama but Fox is the only media outlet doing a disservice- they literally have millions of Americans believing this morning that Trump has bought peace to the peninsula because he finally had the balls to speak with Kim face to face. In reality - this is the umpteenth time that Kim has “promised “ to de nuke, and they absolutely roasted Obama for the mere mention of doing such things. That is not a leftist spin it is exactly what has happened.

[Chico23231]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/s...world-cup.html


Give Trump credit for USA getting the World Cup

Give Trump credit for USA getting the World Cup


Someone on a roll this week...We got the bigly Soccer Cup!

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think the media coverage of this whole event is shameful to the American people. To hear the fear, the lack of facts, and lies its pretty unreal. We should be excited and hopeful. The tone changed but our posture is still strong and ready.

I think if this would have happened 3 years ago the press would be celebrating.

Of course you do, the truth does'nt fit your narrative. Your choice's are are with Punch or,back trump and blame the media. To you trump is never wrong always right and when trump is wrong it's the "bias media". Just stop.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Of course you do, the truth does'nt fit your narrative. Your choice's are are with Punch or,back trump and blame the media. To you trump is never wrong always right and when trump is wrong it's the "bias media". Just stop.

No. The media certainly has the right to critique the meeting and the signed document/agreement thingy.

But when NBC Today show starts the show with what "Trump gave away" as a headline or CNN runs headlines on the website "Nothing was changed or gained" then we have a problem with honesty. You need to provide context, perspective and all the facts. You cant provide the American People half the facts, just like you cant declare victory from yesterday. A story as big as this should be framed properly. I know you don't get it, but

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

There is no way in hell a similar montage exists about Obama and msnbc to that extent of hypocrisy. No way. There is changing your tune, and there is changing your entire album. Lol.

I think it can be compared to how the praises were sung after the Iran deal.

Iran is not a much better actor than NK.

We both admit our biases here, but I think you still credit non Fox news as way too credible for what they really are.

News outlets today are simply sycophants for their preferred policies, and the politicians that support them.