Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You've created a false either/or here. By trading up to get RGIII we would be building through the draft while conserving cap space. Your either/or presumes that trading up is somehow anti-draft when in fact it is a different way of using the draft.

Totally agree, though the mentality of "we can make up the difference in free agency" is the more troubling argument.

There's a difference between saying "let's use the draft to get RG3 now" thinking we're still a year away and shouldn't resort to accelerating the timetable.

But there are people on both sides: lets draft Griffin and give Shanahan time to build it organically, and people who want to draft Griffin and go for broke in free agency to win now and in the future. I think NC_Skins is taking to task only one version of the people who disagree with him.

To me, though, it's not mutually exclusive, and letting Shanahan have any more time to build organically given the folly of the last two seasons is every bit as bad of an option on blowing $40 million cap dollars in free agency in a make or break season. If you wanted to build organically, changing coaches would have been a better option.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Totally agree, though the mentality of "we can make up the difference in free agency" is the more troubling argument.

There's a difference between saying "let's use the draft to get RG3 now" thinking we're still a year away and shouldn't resort to accelerating the timetable.

But there are people on both sides: lets draft Griffin and give Shanahan time to build it organically, and people who want to draft Griffin and go for broke in free agency to win now and in the future. I think NC_Skins is taking to task only one version of the people who disagree with him.

To me, though, it's not mutually exclusive, and letting Shanahan have any more time to build organically given the folly of the last two seasons is every bit as bad of an option on blowing $40 million cap dollars in free agency in a make or break season. If you wanted to build organically, changing coaches would have been a better option.

Depends on what type of Free Agents. If we go for the Barry Cofield-London Fletcher variety we'll be much better off. I think we can allow one big splash at Wide Receiver but other then that it needs to be solid affordable guys like Cofield and Chester.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Totally agree, though the mentality of "we can make up the difference in free agency" is the more troubling argument.

There's a difference between saying "let's use the draft to get RG3 now" thinking we're still a year away and shouldn't resort to accelerating the timetable.

But there are people on both sides: lets draft Griffin and give Shanahan time to build it organically, and people who want to draft Griffin and go for broke in free agency to win now and in the future. I think NC_Skins is taking to task only one version of the people who disagree with him.

To me, though, it's not mutually exclusive, and letting Shanahan have any more time to build organically given the folly of the last two seasons is every bit as bad of an option on blowing $40 million cap dollars in free agency in a make or break season. If you wanted to build organically, changing coaches would have been a better option.

Dang it Tripp, I was gonna comment on how you actually made a statement that the Skins improved (barely eeked it out of you), then you go and throw this out! Come on, give the Shanny's some love!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Totally agree, though the mentality of "we can make up the difference in free agency" is the more troubling argument.

There's a difference between saying "let's use the draft to get RG3 now" thinking we're still a year away and shouldn't resort to accelerating the timetable.

But there are people on both sides: lets draft Griffin and give Shanahan time to build it organically, and people who want to draft Griffin and go for broke in free agency to win now and in the future. I think NC_Skins is taking to task only one version of the people who disagree with him.

To me, though, it's not mutually exclusive, and letting Shanahan have any more time to build organically given the folly of the last two seasons is every bit as bad of an option on blowing $40 million cap dollars in free agency in a make or break season. If you wanted to build organically, changing coaches would have been a better option.

That can't be further from the truth. Changing coaches...yeah we haven't tried that before.
That's probably the only consistent thing the Redskins have done in the last twenty years.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You've created a false either/or here. By trading up to get RGIII we would be building through the draft while conserving cap space. Your either/or presumes that trading up is somehow anti-draft when in fact it is a different way of using the draft.

Let me help.... He's saying that the Cerrato way was to give up too many draft picks to move up for one player. Picks that could be used to get high end draft quality players since half the fans here seem to think round 4 and beyond is camp fodder.

No matter what we do in the draft I think we need to collect 2 WR's in FA, one Vet QB, and a couple OL if possible. QB to replace Grossman and Beck and WR cause we just suck there. How about this... We pick up PM, draft a Tannehill or Weeden in RD1 then maybe RD 3 or 4 we pick up someone else? Russel Wilson?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I tell you. I think what's funny as hell is watching the irony of fan reactions over the years.


GM: trades picks for players and supplements loss of talent via free agency which ultimately destroys cap in future.

Fans: OMG BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT! Quit killing the salary cap! Our team is old and our depth sucks!! Look at New England and Pittsburgh.


GM: Conserves picks and builds roster through young, cheap talent while filling few holes with free agency.




Fans: OMG WE NEED TO BLOW THOSE PICKS ON THIS GUY!! We can build the team with loss of talent in free agency.



The irony of it all is mind boggling. It's almost like watching politicians at work. Flip flopping to hell, and have no issues with the way business is ran until it doesn't suit them. I'm just commenting on the situation, not saying one way or another in regards to RGIII or any other move. Merely a observation.

OMG you hit the nail on the head. Pretty much what I noticed as well. Everyone complained about Cerrato an his FA antics and kept saying we should be more like the Patriots and Steelers by building through the draft. Now that the team is building through the draft it's been nothing but "let's throw as many picks at the Rams to see when they will say stop just for RGIII, and we can use up all that CAP cushion we got to get WR's and OL to help out RGIII.

Next...

Dirt, there is more then one scripted way to build a team. You also can get your OL, grab your WR's and RB's, and after you have everything in place then go out and get your QB so he's not taking a beating, like Ramsey did, and his learning curve will be less with all the help around him already knowing what they should be doing. Both ways are just as proven as the other.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

OMG you hit the nail on the head. Pretty much what I noticed as well. Everyone complained about Cerrato an his FA antics and kept saying we should be more like the Patriots and Steelers by building through the draft. Now that the team is building through the draft it's been nothing but "let's throw as many picks at the Rams to see when they will say stop just for RGIII, and we can use up all that CAP cushion we got to get WR's and OL to help out RGIII.

Next...

Dirt, there is more then one scripted way to build a team. You also can get your OL, grab your WR's and RB's, and after you have everything in place then go out and get your QB so he's not taking a beating, like Ramsey did, and his learning curve will be less with all the help around him already knowing what they should be doing. Both ways are just as proven as the other.

If Shanahan does not pick up a qb in this years draft, he will be on the hot seat. And if the team fails to perform, he will be fired.

If he drafts RG3(or Tannehill/Manning), he buys himself a couple more years. Which would you think would be the better option for his career?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I tell you. I think what's funny as hell is watching the irony of fan reactions over the years.


GM: trades picks for players and supplements loss of talent via free agency which ultimately destroys cap in future.

Fans: OMG BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT! Quit killing the salary cap! Our team is old and our depth sucks!! Look at New England and Pittsburgh.


GM: Conserves picks and builds roster through young, cheap talent while filling few holes with free agency.


Fans: OMG WE NEED TO BLOW THOSE PICKS ON THIS GUY!! We can build the team with loss of talent in free agency.



The irony of it all is mind boggling. It's almost like watching politicians at work. Flip flopping to hell, and have no issues with the way business is ran until it doesn't suit them. I'm just commenting on the situation, not saying one way or another in regards to RGIII or any other move. Merely a observation.

It's not quite that black and white.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

And I'm sorry but all of those second tier guys at QB (Foles, Weeden, Tannehill, Ossweiler, etc) are going to be dwarfed at the end of their careers by the acheivements of a certain Robert Griffin III.

Same was said when Matt Leiart and Vince Young came out,how did that go?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Same was said when Matt Leiart and Vince Young came out,how did that go?

I don't think anyone considered trading up to draft those two.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Same was said when Matt Leiart and Vince Young came out,how did that go?

Apples to oranges my friend. Those two were victims of themselves.


I'm pretty sure RGIII worse offense is going to be taking a night off to watch a movie with his fiance instead of spending an extra hour studying the playbook.

Originally Posted by over the mountain

if we are gonna offer a ton I hope its for luck or bradford.

is RGIII really on par with luck?

this just seems insane to me.

Down the road he could be but as of today no way.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Robert Griffin trade rumors already spinning out of control | ProFootballTalk

word is skins are ready to give two first according to NFL Live

Smoot do you know which camp is leaking these rumors? Is it St. Louis or Washington?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Same was said when Matt Leiart and Vince Young came out,how did that go?

Why is a giant fan that won 2 super bowls by trading up for a QB hanging out on a Redskins message board taking a squirt in our bowl of RG3 cheerios?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

Why is a giant fan that won 2 super bowls by trading up for a QB hanging out on a Redskins message board taking a squirt in our bowl of RG3 cheerios?

Because he has no life.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by celts32

Why is a giant fan that won 2 super bowls by trading up for a QB hanging out on a Redskins message board taking a squirt in our bowl of RG3 cheerios?

Because if we get RG3 suddenly the Redskins become an actual threat to the NFC East crown within a year or two. It's much nicer having us at the bottom of the division.

Which reminds me.

RG3 Selling Point #472: More nationally televised games for out of town fans.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Because if we get RG3 suddenly the Redskins become an actual threat to the NFC East crown within a year or two. It's much nicer having us at the bottom of the division.

Exactly...