Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth

SBXVII · 09-13-2010, 11:08 AM

I don't think I would trade yet. He is obviously having difficulty at NT. He doesn't get a good push. Even the announcers said he's better going straight up field instead of trying to push laterally. Although it appeared he was double teamed everytime he was out there. Maybe they can look at the film and use that against Dallas next time if AH is still here.

I think I would put Kemo at NT and move AH to DE or whatever they want to call it. Maybe he would provide a better rush especially with Orakpo next to him.

If they can't get all this worked out and AH is a beast during the next game I'd say keep him but if he's still not getting a good push and not being a part of the tackles at the line then I'd trade him.

Pocket$ $traight · 09-13-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

He was raving mad though...I was worried he was going to pull a Sprewell on Haslett or Shanahan.

Haynesworth is normally jacked up/sneering/pacing during the game.

I want to know why they put Vonnie Holliday in that 3rd and 2 look. It is idiotic to use him instead of Haynesworth on those plays, especially when a draw play is a free first down.

freddyg12 · 09-13-2010, 11:28 AM

AFter listening to Randy MOss say that it's probably his last year in NE, I couldn't help but think that AH could be swapped for him. Give Moss a 2 year deal, he could help us big time.

Chris Carter downplayed Moss' comments, saying that he was only replying to questions by reporters. I know NE plays a 3-4 & that ain't AH's cup o tea, but Bellicheck loves to acquire old vets & put them into good use in his system. If MOss pisses off the NE mgmt. I could see this deal happening. Probably won't though, I think Allen & co. are determined to get value & likely won't.

SBXVII · 09-13-2010, 11:37 AM

^ Which is why I think we need to put AH at DE. He's not worth a crap playing him at NT and him not getting any decent push. Other teams will say he's past his prime and they won't offer much. We put him at DE and he has a huge game for us then either keep him there and keep him for the season or trade him in hopes his trade value increased due to having good game.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 09-13-2010, 12:51 PM

After watching him play last night, it seemed to me that he would anticipate the wrong gap to take almost every play allowing the dallas tailbacks to break some nice runs. Was it just me or was that the case?

saden1 · 09-13-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

After watching him play last night, it seemed to me that he would anticipate the wrong gap to take almost every play allowing the dallas tailbacks to break some nice runs. Was it just me or was that the case?

He didn't have a f'ing clue what he was suppose to be doing. It looks he simply doesn't know the scheme and didn't bother to learn it rather than purposefully trying sabotage the defense.

BleedBurgundy · 09-13-2010, 12:58 PM

After last night, I'd say cut his fat ass.

FRPLG · 09-13-2010, 12:58 PM

He simply doesn't fit our scheme. He is too hard ehaded to do the stuff we need him to do. We're only better with him on the field if he is actually playing the rechnique they need him to play. I am guessing until he shows them that he'll play the right technique they'll be holding him out mroe and more. The spinning out of the play has got to stop. He needs to head up on a double team and push it backwards.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 09-13-2010, 01:08 PM

Yeah after one regular season game, it was perfectly obvious that AH does not fit this scheme. Maybe he will but I do not see it happening. We will just have to wait and see what happens in the coming weeks.

Fan033 · 09-13-2010, 01:14 PM

Haynesworth looks clueless, angry and like he's already on a plane out of here. At the moment, he's useless to the Redskins.

Monkeydad · 09-13-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

He simply doesn't fit our scheme. He is too hard ehaded to do the stuff we need him to do. We're only better with him on the field if he is actually playing the rechnique they need him to play. I am guessing until he shows them that he'll play the right technique they'll be holding him out mroe and more. The spinning out of the play has got to stop. He needs to head up on a double team and push it backwards.

I think it's his attitude that doesn't fit the scheme. I have no doubts that if he tried, he could push a center and make a big difference at NT...he just isn't putting any effort into it most plays. A few times, he fought Gurode and looked good...but it was the minority of his plays. Plus, Gurode was probably extra-motivated to beat AH.

No excuses though...he needs to start caring about his job and the team.

BleedBurgundy · 09-13-2010, 01:36 PM

He's not going to care. I take it back, we shouldn't cut him, we should keyshawn him. We've already paid the big $, Snyder can afford it, keep him on the payroll and sit his ass every week. Watching the game last night, i was hoping to see them have security escort his ass off the sidelines and out of the stadium.

Longtimefan · 09-13-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

I think it's his attitude that doesn't fit the scheme. I have no doubts that if he tried, he could push a center and make a big difference at NT...he just isn't putting any effort into it most plays. A few times, he fought Gurode and looked good...but it was the minority of his plays. Plus, Gurode was probably extra-motivated to beat AH.

No excuses though...he needs to start caring about his job and the team.

You can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make him drink.

SBXVII · 09-13-2010, 01:43 PM

They only use Daniels as DE so why can't they just rotate between Daniels and AH as DE. I guess there is a lot to learn about being a NT but I figured him slamming up the middle taking on two blockers as he did in the 4-3 was a no brainer. Now I'd put him in as the DE (or DL, whatever the position not to be called NT is) and see if the DL is better, if not then trade his but.

TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS · 09-13-2010, 01:52 PM

i think a general rule of thumb with the whole AH situation should be this: if there is ever any doubt over the outcome of an issue between the redskins and albert haynesworth, it's safe to assume that the worst possible outcome will happen. that really has summed up the past 4 months. the only positive exception would be him actually dropping weight in the off season...but apparently that was out of spite (so he couldn't play NT) so it doesn't really count.

that in mind, i predict AH will not learn the system, will not try hard or make plays and he will continuously run his mouth and cause problems until he is traded or released. nothing positive will ever come from the redskins/AH relationship.

09-13-2010, 11:08 AM	#466
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth I don't think I would trade yet. He is obviously having difficulty at NT. He doesn't get a good push. Even the announcers said he's better going straight up field instead of trying to push laterally. Although it appeared he was double teamed everytime he was out there. Maybe they can look at the film and use that against Dallas next time if AH is still here. I think I would put Kemo at NT and move AH to DE or whatever they want to call it. Maybe he would provide a better rush especially with Orakpo next to him. If they can't get all this worked out and AH is a beast during the next game I'd say keep him but if he's still not getting a good push and not being a part of the tackles at the line then I'd trade him.

09-13-2010, 11:28 AM	#468
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth AFter listening to Randy MOss say that it's probably his last year in NE, I couldn't help but think that AH could be swapped for him. Give Moss a 2 year deal, he could help us big time. Chris Carter downplayed Moss' comments, saying that he was only replying to questions by reporters. I know NE plays a 3-4 & that ain't AH's cup o tea, but Bellicheck loves to acquire old vets & put them into good use in his system. If MOss pisses off the NE mgmt. I could see this deal happening. Probably won't though, I think Allen & co. are determined to get value & likely won't.

09-13-2010, 11:37 AM	#469
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth ^ Which is why I think we need to put AH at DE. He's not worth a crap playing him at NT and him not getting any decent push. Other teams will say he's past his prime and they won't offer much. We put him at DE and he has a huge game for us then either keep him there and keep him for the season or trade him in hopes his trade value increased due to having good game.

09-13-2010, 12:51 PM	#470
artmonkforhallofamein07 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 5,001	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth After watching him play last night, it seemed to me that he would anticipate the wrong gap to take almost every play allowing the dallas tailbacks to break some nice runs. Was it just me or was that the case? __________________ Just win.

09-13-2010, 12:58 PM	#472
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth After last night, I'd say cut his fat ass. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

09-13-2010, 12:58 PM	#473
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth He simply doesn't fit our scheme. He is too hard ehaded to do the stuff we need him to do. We're only better with him on the field if he is actually playing the rechnique they need him to play. I am guessing until he shows them that he'll play the right technique they'll be holding him out mroe and more. The spinning out of the play has got to stop. He needs to head up on a double team and push it backwards.

09-13-2010, 01:08 PM	#474
artmonkforhallofamein07 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 5,001	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth Yeah after one regular season game, it was perfectly obvious that AH does not fit this scheme. Maybe he will but I do not see it happening. We will just have to wait and see what happens in the coming weeks. __________________ Just win.

09-13-2010, 01:14 PM	#475
Fan033 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 45	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth Haynesworth looks clueless, angry and like he's already on a plane out of here. At the moment, he's useless to the Redskins.

09-13-2010, 01:36 PM	#477
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth He's not going to care. I take it back, we shouldn't cut him, we should keyshawn him. We've already paid the big $, Snyder can afford it, keep him on the payroll and sit his ass every week. Watching the game last night, i was hoping to see them have security escort his ass off the sidelines and out of the stadium. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

09-13-2010, 01:43 PM	#479
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth They only use Daniels as DE so why can't they just rotate between Daniels and AH as DE. I guess there is a lot to learn about being a NT but I figured him slamming up the middle taking on two blockers as he did in the 4-3 was a no brainer. Now I'd put him in as the DE (or DL, whatever the position not to be called NT is) and see if the DL is better, if not then trade his but.

09-13-2010, 01:52 PM	#480
TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 137	Re: Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth i think a general rule of thumb with the whole AH situation should be this: if there is ever any doubt over the outcome of an issue between the redskins and albert haynesworth, it's safe to assume that the worst possible outcome will happen. that really has summed up the past 4 months. the only positive exception would be him actually dropping weight in the off season...but apparently that was out of spite (so he couldn't play NT) so it doesn't really count. that in mind, i predict AH will not learn the system, will not try hard or make plays and he will continuously run his mouth and cause problems until he is traded or released. nothing positive will ever come from the redskins/AH relationship.

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