Trouble in Redskins Park?

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

His drinking lead to his firings before...this time it was absolutely not the reason. BUT as an organization they put someone on the radio to speculate it was.

Your right, we don't need him. We are better off...

prove that he wasn't drinking again

[mredskins]

To me as far as McC goes its just another chapter in his story and the chapter always ends the same; him being fired.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

prove that he wasn't drinking again

Then:


Now:

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

prove that he wasn't drinking again

Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks. I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park. The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks. I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park. The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.

How on god's green earth do you know that?

There is no way any of us know his level of drinking. I bet his wife doesn't even really know.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

How on god's green earth do you know that?

There is no way any of us know his level of drinking. I bet his wife doesn't even really know.

You really not good at reading. good lord.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You really not good at reading. good lord.

Those are sources telling you; they really don't know either. Alcoholics are great at hiding their drinking or level of drinking.

Here is a suggestion; where ever McC lands go follow that team; you seem to have a man crush on him.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks. I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park. The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.

i don't buy it . . . i look at the recent pics of him and he looks like a HUGE alcoholic . . . i've been around lots . . . the pics of him in his redskins gear the last couple of days is the looks of a man trying to dry up fro a 6 month bender . . . IMO, no question he has been drinking and very heavily . . . and if drinking was never and issue . . . why did he get fired twice for it already?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Williams was a coach, Gruden is a Coach. They aren't decision makers on who gets what contract. Which is why are in this mess with Cousins.

McCloughan NEVER had say over contracts. He had say over the draft board and players to target. Schaffer and Allen always handled negotiations.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

McCloughan NEVER had say over contracts. He had say over the draft board and players to target. Schaffer and Allen always handled negotiations.

Thank you.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Those are sources telling you; they really don't know either. Alcoholics are great at hiding their drinking or level of drinking.

Here is a suggestion; where ever McC lands go follow that team; you seem to have a man crush on him.

Look, Im just telling you what I see from 2 good sources.

Your right, Alcoholics and people with substance abuse issues are good at hiding it. Im not debating that. Im just stating this issue isn't at the heart of this move.

SkinsGuru...I can respect that but just disagree when it comes down to it.

[SkinsGuru]

lets also not forget . . . his wife came up swinging when the media suggested the Redskins sent him home . . . this is all on him . . . the Skins FO is pissed that the only thing he was brought in for, player scouting, was being destroyed by his inability to do his job and be at the combine and so on due to his "family problems" err . . . drinking habit.

[mredskins]

IMO McC was on a prove it deal with the Skins and BA was his babysitter. If in the last two years he was on good behavior; I am sure he still be here. Obviously something went wrong either his drinking, his inability to compromise, etc...but something happened that soured his relationship with the Skins. Again, this isn't the first or second time McC has soured his relationship with an organization.

Guy has great talent but his demons are overriding that talent at this point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks. I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park. The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.

The problem, of course, is whether the article is authoritative, or speculative. If authoritative, then you would be right. But it isn't. It's reporters culling sources and making an article out of it. We don't, and may never, know the full story, but to assume only wrong on one side, ie "drinking was never an issue", seems to imply a bias in the reporting to me. An alcoholic, just like any other addict will have days and weeks where his/her addiction overrides his/her ability to function at work.

[Alvin Walton]

Awesome thread.....