Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

And Cain's authentically black conservative closet is filled skeletons. Perfect timing for halloween. This is going to be fun to see unfold...to deny or to no comment, that is the question.

Exclusive: 2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior - Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman and Anna Palmer and Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com

Lady Karma comes through once again.

Funny the left seems to accuse all conservative blak men of this. Bunch of raciest.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny the left seems to accuse all conservative blak men of this. Bunch of raciest.

I don't remember J. C. Watts being accused. It's not racist when it isn't a black or white thing, believing it to be is racist. Then again, there aren't many black conservatives to have a sizable statistics pool to make a fair assessment of the left's racism towards black conservatives.

Sexual deviance knows know color.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't remember J. C. Watts being accused. It's not racist when it isn't a black or white thing, believing it to be is racist. Then again, there aren't many black conservatives to have a sizable statistics pool to make a fair assessment of the left's racism towards black conservatives.

Sexual deviance knows know color.

The left set the standard for calling someone Racist so I'm just going by their standards.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The left set the standard for calling someone Racist so I'm just going by their standards.

If two black conservatives being accused by women of sexual misconduct is enough for you to form a standard be my guest. Perhaps you can also share the standard you have set for Mark Stanford and David Vitter.

[firstdown]

I'm just having fun watching the left attack Cain after they called everyone racist for saying anything negative about Obama.

[saden1]

Have as much fun as you want but last I checked the primary authors of the article Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman hardly qualify as the left.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by saden1

Did you read the article, especially the end? You really don't get what's disgraceful? Well, it's claiming Obama is not authentically black and fawning over Dr. Martin Luther King admirably in speech after speech but when it came time to participate in the marches, protests, and civil disobedience with MLK and 99% of your peers for your civil rights you chose to stay home and obey Jim Crow laws.

Yeah, if we are going to talk who is blacker there's something to be said for Jewish and White civil rights advocates who marched and helped get us to where we are today being blacker.

Herman Cain, a successful conservative "black" business man, civil rights free rider, and apparently a sexual harasser.

So a short part of the article says that he wasn’t involved in the civil rights movement makes him disgraceful in your eyes? Both people that talk about him say he was respected, and although not part of student affairs that he was well liked. Cain has himself alluded to dealing with a family illness during that time. And the 99% is a quote from a former student that seems more like a generalized statement that most Morehouse students participated, not that 99% literally did based off of anything besides his generalization.

We are both too young to have been able to make decision to know if we would have participated in the Civil Rights movement had it happened during our day and time. I would like to think that I would have been involved, as im sure you do too. But it’s a lot easier to say that in retrospect then to have actually been there see some of the horrible things happening in real time and still get up to act. So as much as you or I can call someone out for not participating I don’t think either of have a right to.

I look at it for what it is. Cain was involved with a family illness, which we can do nothing but speculate the circumstances of. Maybe it was his mom’s dying wish that he not be involved, maybe his 3rd cousin had a cold and Herman needed to bring him soup. Either way neither of us know enough to call his actions during that time disgraceful, by any means.

[mlmpetert]

A couple thoughts now that this Herman Cain alleged sexual harassment is full blown news.….

1) This is a 3rd party account with no named sources
2) The details of what Cain is accused of doing wont even be released
3) It seems very coincidental that this story comes out the day before hes supposed to address the National Press Club
4) Yesterday a Iowa poll showed Cain in 1st. This particular poll was viewed as a true barometer for the legitimacy of Cain nomination chances

So Politico comes out with a story that is unsourced and without details but is sure to smear Cain ‘s name at a important time for him. Lets just say Cain was accused of “sexually suggestive behavior”, not name our sources or reveal any of the alleged details no matter how horrible or how innocent they may be, and lead it up to the public to imagine whatever they want…… That’s just great journalism right there.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

A couple thoughts now that this Herman Cain alleged sexual harassment is full blown news.….

1) This is a 3rd party account with no named sources
2) The details of what Cain is accused of doing wont even be released
3) It seems very coincidental that this story comes out the day before hes supposed to address the National Press Club
4) Yesterday a Iowa poll showed Cain in 1st. This particular poll was viewed as a true barometer for the legitimacy of Cain nomination chances

So Politico comes out with a story that is unsourced and without details but is sure to smear Cain ‘s name at a important time for him. Lets just say Cain was accused of “sexually suggestive behavior”, not name our sources or reveal any of the details no matter how horrible or how innocent they may be, and lead it up to the public to imagine whatever they want…… That’s just great journalism right there.

Looks like Cain is getting swift-boated there.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Looks like Cain is getting swift-boated there.

That what it seems like. I guess Cain should be proud since its kind of a political milestone. I guess hes now a legitimate contender.

[12thMan]

Nothing more than internal Republican politicos (no pun intended) trying to throw Cain off message and knock him down a notch. Dems have nothing to gain by leaking this story before the GOP has chosen it's nominee, so I think it was someone within conservative circles. Rove, Kristol, Perry camp. Take your pick.

These scandals usually gain traction when there's a name or face attached to said scandal. In this case you have neither, so to the extent that Cain can make the media appear to be more interested in tabloid stories rather than the economy, I think he survives and keeps on trucking.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

So a short part of the article says that he wasn’t involved in the civil rights movement makes him disgraceful in your eyes? Both people that talk about him say he was respected, and although not part of student affairs that he was well liked. Cain has himself alluded to dealing with a family illness during that time. And the 99% is a quote from a former student that seems more like a generalized statement that most Morehouse students participated, not that 99% literally did based off of anything besides his generalization.

We are both too young to have been able to make decision to know if we would have participated in the Civil Rights movement had it happened during our day and time. I would like to think that I would have been involved, as im sure you do too. But it’s a lot easier to say that in retrospect then to have actually been there see some of the horrible things happening in real time and still get up to act. So as much as you or I can call someone out for not participating I don’t think either of have a right to.

I look at it for what it is. Cain was involved with a family illness, which we can do nothing but speculate the circumstances of. Maybe it was his mom’s dying wish that he not be involved, maybe his 3rd cousin had a cold and Herman needed to bring him soup. Either way neither of us know enough to call his actions during that time disgraceful, by any means.

From his interview with Lawrence the family illness was a hypothetical answer. Given that he is basically calling out the president for not being black enough whilst saying I obeyed jim crow laws and didn't march says a lot about the man. I mean, even if he had a family illness he managed to attended school and not once did he march during the civil rights movment. Family illness is a very poor excuse given the gravity of the times and the almost daily marches/protest and you know it.

There is no valid rational that could explain away a black man in eye of the storm would willingly obey laws that infringe on his personal freed while others are marching. Let's be honest here, the truth behind why Cain didn't march was to avoided "trouble" and his desire to not risk a future with any sort of stains. I understand that, I don't blame him for that and I can respect his decision to keep a squeaky clean record.

I think my use of the word disgraceful is appropriate given how often he has managed to open his mouth about blackness and the triumph of the civil right movements.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

A couple thoughts now that this Herman Cain alleged sexual harassment is full blown news.….

1) This is a 3rd party account with no named sources
2) The details of what Cain is accused of doing wont even be released
3) It seems very coincidental that this story comes out the day before hes supposed to address the National Press Club
4) Yesterday a Iowa poll showed Cain in 1st. This particular poll was viewed as a true barometer for the legitimacy of Cain nomination chances

So Politico comes out with a story that is unsourced and without details but is sure to smear Cain ‘s name at a important time for him. Lets just say Cain was accused of “sexually suggestive behavior”, not name our sources or reveal any of the alleged details no matter how horrible or how innocent they may be, and lead it up to the public to imagine whatever they want…… That’s just great journalism right there.

LOOL...are you serious, the man is running for president. Would it be preferable to release it days before the primary election? General election? A campaign trail speech? A republican debate? During his book tour? Right after a Sunday interview? When would you find it appropriate this information about a man constantly in the limeliete to be released?

More info will trickle out, that I am sure of. He is innocent until proven guilty but he is acting very suspect. His story is shaky. I mean, how can you be in charge of an org and not know that the women that accused you of misconduct were paid off and left the org?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Nothing more than internal Republican politicos (no pun intended) trying to throw Cain off message and knock him down a notch. Dems have nothing to gain by leaking this story before the GOP has chosen it's nominee, so I think it was someone within conservative circles. Rove, Kristol, Perry camp. Take your pick.

These scandals usually gain traction when there's a name or face attached to said scandal. In this case you have neither, so to the extent that Cain can make the media appear to be more interested in tabloid stories rather than the economy, I think he survives and keeps on trucking.

You're wrong...clearly Martin and team Obama are scared of a real black candidate and have conspired to let a real white guy like Romney win the primary so he doesn't get the black vote so he is more easily defeated by Obama.

Perfect!

[saden1]

Now that Cain has pretty much self-mutilated campaign you got to figure Mitt Romney is going to get the nomination...if he can overcome the "friendly fire."

Huntsman:


George Will:
Mitt Romney, the pretzel candidate - The Washington Post


I can't wait for Obama et al to sink their teeth into him.