The Sam Howell Thread

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Not many are but howells problem is he makes some Horrible decisions, just throwing the ball up is not a rookie mistake that’s just being wreck-less with the ball.

I agree that he has no real run game (Brob and AG have no line either tho)

I think as the year goes on we will find that SH is a solid NFL QB but not a franchise guy


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I 100% agree

The worst thing Sam can do to us is flash like he is something and we don’t pursue a QB next season

[mredskins]

Ron Rivera needs to bench Sam Howell for Jacoby Brissett if he wants to keep his job

The Commanders have lost four of their past five games to drop to 3-4 on the season after Sunday's loss to the injury-shredded Giants. Howell, the second-year quarterback out of North Carolina, has been Washington's starter since the beginning of the season and has shown some flashes of what he can do, but he has also been incredibly reckless.

He was sacked six times Sunday, which sounds like a lot unless you've been paying attention to Howell's season. He has been sacked at least four times in each of the Commanders' seven games and a total of 40 times so far this year. Since sacks became an official stat in 1963, the only quarterback who has been sacked more times in the first seven games of a season is David Carr, who was sacked 43 times in the first seven games of his 2002 season. And Howell has also thrown seven interceptions and fumbled once.

Verdict: NOT AN OVERREACTION

I don't see how the Commanders can keep running Howell out there if he's going to keep putting himself and the ball in harm's way this often. I mean, he was sacked six times on Sunday by the Giants. New York had a total of five sacks all season prior to Sunday's game. Howell is on pace to be sacked 97 times this season. The all-time record is 76 by ... yeah, David Carr in 2002. That was a rough year. But Howell is on pace to break that record this season in Week 15, and only because Washington has a bye in Week 14. There's no way to sustain an offense when your quarterback is constantly moving the chains backward instead of forward.

The Commanders are under new ownership, which generally calls a coach's job into some level of question. There is obviously time for them to salvage their season. Brissett has been a competent-to-good starting quarterback in the NFL, finishing eighth in QBR last season with Cleveland (62.0), and could at least calm things down a bit while Howell works in a backup role on the parts of his game that need ironing out.

It might be a good idea to make this move before it's too late.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/sto...omes-kelce#wsh

[Chief X_Phackter]

I can't get on board with benching Howell for Brissett. I could get on board with showing EB the door though, and letting Barney Rubble call the offense.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I can't get on board with benching Howell for Brissett. I could get on board with showing EB the door though, and letting Barney Rubble call the offense.

i agree but i am not sure EB is all that bad

I think we have something in Sam and EB what exactly we have i am unsure because the parts around them are so broken

It is equal to asking Richard Petty to race the Daytona 500 with a honda civic; he was a amazing driver but i mean in a civic what is he going to do

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mredskins

i agree but i am not sure EB is all that bad

I think we have something in Sam and EB what exactly we have i am unsure because the parts around them are so broken

It is equal to asking Richard Petty to race the Daytona 500 with a honda civic; he was a amazing driver but i mean in a civic what is he going to do

EB is bad. I don't know how you could justify rating him any higher than just flat out bad. He's 100% predictable, and hasn't made one adjustment all year.

[SFREDSKIN]

When you have no running game and shitty play calling, then you are not helping your QB and put it all on him. Last year with BRob coming back from being shot our running game was way better than this year. Our run blocking is atrocious, if BRob gains 5 yards EB will go for a pass, run the fucking ball and make it manageable. Shuffle the OL and replace Gates, Wylie and Leno.

[EdmundDorf]

I think yesterday was the first game where the pressure got to Howell mentally. In previous games, despite the sacks he was still throwing with great accuracy. Maybe its cumulative, high sack rates have ruined many a good young QB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I can't get on board with benching Howell for Brissett. I could get on board with showing EB the door though, and letting Barney Rubble call the offense.

I'm so over EB. I'd show his ass the door.

[skinsfaninok]

I don't see them benching SH unless he has another 4 INT Game this week

[sdskinsfan2001]

Yesterday was the 1st game where I was more pessimistic about Howell than optimistic.

He didn't look good. But he's young, and has a bad playcaller and terrible line, so he's behind the 8 ball even on his best days.

I still think he has the talent to be a solid starter in this league. But if we finish with a top 10 pick, I wouldn't blame the new GM for drafting their guy at QB. Then we would have a great backup for at least 2 more seasons at a discount rate, or possibly trade him for a top half of the draft pick.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Yesterday was the 1st game where I was more pessimistic about Howell than optimistic.

He didn't look good. But he's young, and has a bad playcaller and terrible line, so he's behind the 8 ball even on his best days.

I still think he has the talent to be a solid starter in this league. But if we finish with a top 10 pick, I wouldn't blame the new GM for drafting their guy at QB. Then we would have a great backup for at least 2 more seasons at a discount rate, or possibly trade him for a top half of the draft pick.

Mine was the Bills game.. After that day I kinda figured he was a true 5th RD pick

[AnonEmouse]

Beyond absolutely deteriorating as the season progresses, I don't know how we can truly tell how good or bad he is with this coaching staff (and I include EB at this point). Its like gauging how good a 100M sprinter is while running with resistance bands around their legs. Maybe he's just another serviceable starter, but maybe he's more and just needs the right people around him. Seems writing him off already, especially with this staff and OL is way premature.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Beyond absolutely deteriorating as the season progresses, I don't know how we can truly tell how good or bad he is with this coaching staff (and I include EB at this point). Its like gauging how good a 100M sprinter is while running with resistance bands around their legs. Maybe he's just another serviceable starter, but maybe he's more and just needs the right people around him. Seems writing him off already, especially with this staff and OL is way premature.

I just hope they don't not hire a GM/HC unless they will sign-off on keeping Howell as the starter. I like Howell, but I want the GM/HC to bring in their own QB if they aren't sold on Howell. Then just trust that they will get it right. I still keep Howell as a back-up, unless someone offered a 3rd or higher. Possibly even a 2nd or higher, if he looks more like he did against Philly and less like NYG as the season progresses.

[CRedskinsRule]

Howell looks good on sprint outs and when he isn't getting pounded. Also, like the whole team, he looks better in the 2nd half and unprepared in the first, that is coaching.

[Chief X_Phackter]

EB definitely needs to get him out of the pocket more, use more designed QB runs here and there (he's getting hit anyway), more max protection, less shotgun runs up the middle, how bout some WR sweeps, when they have 9 defenders on the line of scrimmage...mix it up damnit!