Roy Williams = dirty tackler

FRPLG · 12-20-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dblanch66

Yes it was Newman. He was also the one that Cooley "rolled" over on his way to the endzone for his 3rd TD.

Anyone see Parcells giving the stare to Newman after that play? All I could imagine was him saying "Newman" in that disgusted Seinfeld way. Makes me laugh even now.

hooskins · 12-20-2005, 03:49 PM

all the tackles that Roy did during the Skins game were legal, because he didnt grab the pads, but I still think its a dirty move, like pulling the chair in basketball, it is legal but its dirty and this can cause injury.

mooby · 12-20-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did anyone notice he's still dragging people down by the collar this year? What was the point of the horse collar rule being put in to place? Portis injured his lower back when Williams yanked him down like that on the sideline, and after watching the highlights of the game I noticed Williams had at least two tackles like that on Portis.

I think they really need to look at the rule again this offseason... has anyone actually seen it called this season??

There seems to be this vague interpretation of what a horse collar actually is, I say if you grab the back of the shoulder pads around the collar area it should be a penalty, period.

What do you guys think?

roy williams simply gets around his new rule by grabbing people by the back of the jersey at the neck, instead of grabbing the shoulder pads. That's why they never call it, but he's still injuring people. If the NFL was smart, they'd simply outlaw tackling by grabbing people from the back of the neck area on the jerseys, no matter where the hand is. This new rule has done absolutely nothing to stop him and he's still injuring people by it.

Defensewins · 12-20-2005, 04:03 PM

This is football not woose-ball. All the rules now a days are all about protecting the star offensive players or helping create more offense for the typically uneducated football fan that only cheers when there is a TD.
Soon they will out-law tackling any skill position player from behind.

mooby · 12-20-2005, 04:05 PM

i'm only talking about grabbing people by the neck area and pulling them down. i don't care if they get tackled from behind anywhere else.

hooskins · 12-20-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is football not woose-ball. All the rules now a days are all about protecting the star offensive players or helping create more offense for the typically uneducated football fan that only cheers when there is a TD.
Soon they will out-law tackling any skill position player from behind.

I agree, especially when it comes to defensive pass interference, because I hate how you can not even touch the reciever, it is bull. But when it comes to this kind of tackle, I think it should be illegal, it is just plain dirty and dangerous. He could easily grab the legs of the player rather than the neck area. I do not think we are at that level of creating more offensive so the uneducated can follow football, thats hockey.

Defensewins · 12-20-2005, 04:13 PM

Yeah, but football players get hurt every game. You cannot create a rule every time a player gets hurt. Horse collar tackles have existed since day 1 of football. But a star WR gets hurt and suddenly it is not ok.
You want an easy way to reduce injuries, get rid of artificial turf. But that would cost money, so it will never happen.

FRPLG · 12-20-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is football not woose-ball. All the rules now a days are all about protecting the star offensive players or helping create more offense for the typically uneducated football fan that only cheers when there is a TD.
Soon they will out-law tackling any skill position player from behind.

I agree. The way this tpye of thing used to be dealt with was by the players. Guys like Roy Williams were scared to make such tackle because they knew they'd pay for it later on. It wasn't a porblem until the league started clamping down so much that retaliation, no matter how deserved, wasn't allowed.

offiss · 12-20-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did anyone notice he's still dragging people down by the collar this year? What was the point of the horse collar rule being put in to place? Portis injured his lower back when Williams yanked him down like that on the sideline, and after watching the highlights of the game I noticed Williams had at least two tackles like that on Portis.

I think they really need to look at the rule again this offseason... has anyone actually seen it called this season??

There seems to be this vague interpretation of what a horse collar actually is, I say if you grab the back of the shoulder pads around the collar area it should be a penalty, period.

What do you guys think?

he defiently is a dirty player he has no regard for helmit to helmit hits as well.

As far as the horse collar it seems to me the NFL put the rule in to try and scare players from doing it and cut down on that type of tackle, but really had no intentions of calling it. The thing that makes it dirty and intentional is that Williams does it when he doesn't have to, he goes out of his way to tackle people that way when he doesn't need to, I am glad we had no mercy on the cowboys at the end of thaqt game. I noticed that there are plenty of players on that defense who have taken their que from Williams and are grabbing the collar when it's not needed to make a tackle, and for what ever reason the NFL must consider him an untouchable because he gets a constant free pass.

5RINGS · 12-20-2005, 04:19 PM

To tell you the truth, when I see Roy tackling like that all it means it that our so called linebackers have blown outside contain AGAIN!!!! But Roy was a non factor in that game.
The big hit - few by Dallas - was by our FS Keith Davis.

If Roy isn't flying into holes stopping the run, he ain't very effective.

Cover 2/4 really isn't why he got drafted in the first round.

Defensewins · 12-20-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

i'm only talking about grabbing people by the neck area and pulling them down. i don't care if they get tackled from behind anywhere else.

I am just kidding.
The thing I notice about the recent history of these rules is thay all happend in the playoffs or a game that has serious playof implications.

1) 2 or 3 years ago the Patriots crushed the Press' Golden Boy Peyton Manning by jamming the receivers at the line and disrupting their timing. So the next year, no touching receivers after five yards.

2) Late in the regular season last year, Williams opens a can of whip ass on the mentally handicapped TO and no more horse collar tackles. To TO's credit he made it back for the SB.

mooby · 12-20-2005, 04:32 PM

Say you saw clinton portis running downfield, and all of sudden Roy Williams comes running up behind him, jumps a bit, grabs Portis by the back of his neck, yanks him backward, breaks his neck, and ends his pro career. Would you guys say, ah it's just a part of the game, we'll move on?

Defensewins · 12-20-2005, 04:48 PM

Dangersous things happen on the football field every game, should we cancel the sport?
For example a WR jumps high for a ball with his back to the Defensive back. The DB proceeds to take the legs out form under the WR while he is still in the air. The WR does a 180 in the air and lands on his head. I have seen this happen many times, but it is not out-lawed. Darryl Stingley of the NE Patriots is paralyzed from this situation happening when Oakland raiders Safety Jack Tatum did this exact thing to him back on Aug. 12, 1978. This kind of hit is not outlawed.
Football is a dangerous sport. The only problem I have is the rules are made to protect the offensive player twice as much as for the defensive player. Plus add in all the rules made to create more offense. The game is turning into the canadian football league, tons of scoring and no defense.

sandtrapjack · 12-20-2005, 05:58 PM

You got to be kidding me! Williams grabbed him by the shirt, not the pads and Portis fell forward on his left shoulder, he in no way was bent backwards, which is what the rule is in place to avoid. This isn't flag football, it's the N-F-L!

Tackling is why girls don't play the game.

Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real.

Look congrats on a solid win, and there are no excuses for that Cowboys loss except we got our butts handed to us.

But you won the game, Portis is fine, and you have a valid shot at the playoffs.

If you can;t be satisfied with that, then sit down and have a nice warm cup of "shut the fu*k up"!

saskin · 12-20-2005, 06:05 PM

Witten hadn't gone out of bounds and he was still trying to go forward....Washington made sure he wasn't gonna go foward. It was a bad call....

12-20-2005, 03:49 PM	#32
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler all the tackles that Roy did during the Skins game were legal, because he didnt grab the pads, but I still think its a dirty move, like pulling the chair in basketball, it is legal but its dirty and this can cause injury.

12-20-2005, 04:03 PM	#34
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler This is football not woose-ball. All the rules now a days are all about protecting the star offensive players or helping create more offense for the typically uneducated football fan that only cheers when there is a TD. Soon they will out-law tackling any skill position player from behind.

12-20-2005, 04:05 PM	#35
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,446	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler i'm only talking about grabbing people by the neck area and pulling them down. i don't care if they get tackled from behind anywhere else.

12-20-2005, 04:13 PM	#37
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler Yeah, but football players get hurt every game. You cannot create a rule every time a player gets hurt. Horse collar tackles have existed since day 1 of football. But a star WR gets hurt and suddenly it is not ok. You want an easy way to reduce injuries, get rid of artificial turf. But that would cost money, so it will never happen.

12-20-2005, 04:19 PM	#40
5RINGS Closet Redskins Fan Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 495	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler To tell you the truth, when I see Roy tackling like that all it means it that our so called linebackers have blown outside contain AGAIN!!!! But Roy was a non factor in that game. The big hit - few by Dallas - was by our FS Keith Davis. If Roy isn't flying into holes stopping the run, he ain't very effective. Cover 2/4 really isn't why he got drafted in the first round. __________________ I am a complete and unabashed Romosexual. Last edited by 5RINGS; 12-20-2005 at 04:19 PM. Reason: sp

12-20-2005, 04:32 PM	#42
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,446	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler Say you saw clinton portis running downfield, and all of sudden Roy Williams comes running up behind him, jumps a bit, grabs Portis by the back of his neck, yanks him backward, breaks his neck, and ends his pro career. Would you guys say, ah it's just a part of the game, we'll move on?

12-20-2005, 04:48 PM	#43
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler Dangersous things happen on the football field every game, should we cancel the sport? For example a WR jumps high for a ball with his back to the Defensive back. The DB proceeds to take the legs out form under the WR while he is still in the air. The WR does a 180 in the air and lands on his head. I have seen this happen many times, but it is not out-lawed. Darryl Stingley of the NE Patriots is paralyzed from this situation happening when Oakland raiders Safety Jack Tatum did this exact thing to him back on Aug. 12, 1978. This kind of hit is not outlawed. Football is a dangerous sport. The only problem I have is the rules are made to protect the offensive player twice as much as for the defensive player. Plus add in all the rules made to create more offense. The game is turning into the canadian football league, tons of scoring and no defense.

12-20-2005, 05:58 PM	#44
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler You got to be kidding me! Williams grabbed him by the shirt, not the pads and Portis fell forward on his left shoulder, he in no way was bent backwards, which is what the rule is in place to avoid. This isn't flag football, it's the N-F-L! Tackling is why girls don't play the game. Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real. Look congrats on a solid win, and there are no excuses for that Cowboys loss except we got our butts handed to us. But you won the game, Portis is fine, and you have a valid shot at the playoffs. If you can;t be satisfied with that, then sit down and have a nice warm cup of "shut the fu*k up"!

12-20-2005, 06:05 PM	#45
saskin Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Antonio Age: 36 Posts: 355	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler Witten hadn't gone out of bounds and he was still trying to go forward....Washington made sure he wasn't gonna go foward. It was a bad call....

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