Campbell, now!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Believe me, I was there arguing against Gibbs' decision last year to sign Brunell and then this year to start him at Dallas. And right after the Dallas game (in which Brunell was lousy except in the fourth quarter), I changed my tune and supported Brunell and Gibbs' decision.

All I am saying now is that it might be time to reassess the decision. Brunell has played poorly in three of the past five games, and had led us to a 2-5 mark in the past seven games. He has six fumbles in the past six games. (Gibbs used to jump all over Ramsey for fumbling.)

I know it's not all on Brunell, and I hope he has a great game in the do-or-die bout with the Bolts. But, right now our record speaks for itself. We're a .500 team with an all right QB.

There is no way possible that Patrick Ramsey is going to come in and be the same efficient leader that Mark Brunell has been. There is no way the Jason campbell comes in and outplays Mark Brunell; he doesn't have the experience level to do it yet. I don't think Brunell played poorly against the Eagles. In fact, I thought he played a heck of a game. I also dont' believe he played poorly against the Bucs, you have to put that loss on our defense and their defense. The only games that Brunell has played poorly in since his start has been the Giants game and yesterday's game. Even in yesterday's game, I would say calling his play poor is completely accurate. It wasn't as good as his other games, it was about a 50-50 game.

Mark Brunell gives us the best chance to win. He still does. There are so many variables that goes into the equation of why this team is only at 5-5 right now, and it isn't all on Mark Brunell nor Gibbs' decision to start him. Starting Jason Campbell now signifies that you give up on this season with six games left to play and a .500 record. Jason Campbell will get eaten alive, and we will end the season at 5-11. I'm not okay with that. If we end the season at that record with Brunell playing the whole way, then fine, let's start the young guy, but why on earth would anybody consider starting Campbell when you're 5-5, six games to go? It doesn't add up.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

We have little to no spark on offense. Remeber when Ramsey came in late last season? That lit everyone up and I think it would give Campbell a great way to take the reins.

We are going no where with Brunell.... period i wanna see what ramsey can do..he played great at the end of last year.... brunells luck is over that arm is dead again plain and simple

[scowan]

I think we are all overacting on Brunell. The reason the Skins are losing is because the "D" can't stop the big play, (or very many plays for that matter) and in the 2nd half Sunday, I blame what I thought was very poor play calling on our inability to come back. There were several series late in the game when Brunell dropped back to pass 3 straight times and had three straight incompletions when we had 2 WRs (thrash and patten) out of the game. Way to go Gibbs, play to our strenghts! And all of those bombs to Taylor Jacobs, were a joke.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

We are going no where with Brunell.... period i wanna see what ramsey can do..he played great at the end of last year.... brunells luck is over that arm is dead again plain and simple

.... hmmmmmm Ramsey LOL. Come on man get real.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Is this joke? bench brunell!! are you kidding. We are only two games out of the division and wild card. We play the G-Men and Cowboys at home. Have a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way compared to those two. And Carolina has to play tampa twice, and Atlanta twice. 9-7 gets us in, and like last year 8-8 could get you in. not saying it will, but last year if a couple of games go our way and we go 7-9, that would have gotten us in. Stop with all the bench Brunell crap. He did not lose this game. He has 14 TDs and 5 ints. and ranked in the top 10 of QB stats. To say bench brunell you can't possibly be watching the same games. Without him, we dont win 5 games. If anyone bench the defensive play caller for the past two weeks. GW has made some costly decisions to have all out blitzes at the end of games when we need to stop big plays. If you haven't noticed our Blitzes have only been doing one thing, and thats give up big play after big play!

I have to agree with 56 I don't know why you give up on this guy so soon he's the reason you have won 4 (1 ramsey won) this team everyone predicted wouldn't win more then 4 or 5 th hole season and he has keep you in contention this far. and I'm sorry brunell didn't lose the past 2 games your Def did it. in the one vs Tampa Bay he was the one dispite his errors early i nthe game came back not only to tie the game but to give you a 7 point lead with 2 min to play and your D gave in.

And last sunday I'm sorry you had a defensive strugle game all teams do and yes Brunell didn't had a great game but he didn't lost it GW and your def did it placinga LB (marshall) to cover Porter PLEASSSEEE he did the same mistake last week puting marshall to cover Gallowey and it also resulted in a TD and in a game where both offense are strugling you cant give the easy play and your Def did it.

He's your best chance to make it to the playoff why do you give up so easily we have had bad games of bledsoe 2 games Ican easily recall is the Seattle game where he trew the int that at the end of the game that made us lose it and last week he had a bad game onl 104 yards passing but still I wouldn't change our QB for nothing i nthe world he gives us the best chance to win.

And brunell right now gives you the best chance

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

I have to agree with 56 I don't know why you give up on this guy so soon he's the reason you have won 4 (1 ramsey won) this team everyone predicted wouldn't win more then 4 or 5 th hole season and he has keep you in contention this far.

And brunell right now gives you the best chance

Ramsey didn't win one he only played a series or two in the bears game.

[D'BOYZ]

thxs for the correction I tought he played almost the hole game didn't saw it but you have put more on my favro so brunell has given you your 5 wins

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

We are going no where with Brunell.... period i wanna see what ramsey can do..he played great at the end of last year.... brunells luck is over that arm is dead again plain and simple

You need to read Tony's assessment of the Raiders game. I think it puts things into perspective.

[dmek25]

you guys have got to be kidding.i once thought as redskins fans as some of the most knowledgeable fans there are.but after reading some of these posts,i dont know what to think.we are 2 games out of first with plenty of football left(including games with the g men and dallas)and you guys are ready to trash the season?thats exactly what happens if j c comes in.it isnt a slam on him but playing q back is the most difficult position in any sport to excel in,bar none.does anyone remember the last time a rookie q back started for a team and excelled?please refresh my memory if this has ever happened?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by dmek25

you guys have got to be kidding.i once thought as redskins fans as some of the most knowledgeable fans there are.but after reading some of these posts,i dont know what to think.we are 2 games out of first with plenty of football left(including games with the g men and dallas)and you guys are ready to trash the season?thats exactly what happens if j c comes in.it isnt a slam on him but playing q back is the most difficult position in any sport to excel in,bar none.does anyone remember the last time a rookie q back started for a team and excelled?please refresh my memory if this has ever happened?

Ben Roethlisberger. But for us, I can't think of anyone who had came in as a rookie and had led us to a winning season. I think when Mark Rypien finally nailed down the starting position, he had already been in the league for a year, maybe two.

[offiss]

Of coarse Brunell is the only reason we have even 5 wins, no one else could have moved the ball, or won any games, our defense is Brunells biggest problem, so what if our defense managed to outscore Brunell against the raiders, they gave up 16 points, any time a defense gives up 16 points you deserve to lose, I don't care how many times the offense turns the ball over it's the defenses job to over come turnovers, if our defense scored 1 more TD we wouldn't be having this conversation, Brunell's stats are fabulous, and that's all we need to look at, the win lose stat is moot, Brunells stats say he's doing his job.

As for a possible mistake not sticking with Ramsey? How can anyone say that? Did anyone see the guy play the first quarter against the Bears? He was awfull, so awful Gibbs couldn't bare to watch any longer and had to replace him, I don't want to hear how he drove the ball downfield twice on what has become maybe the best defense in football, and had more passing yards in a quarter than Brunell had in 3, He had more than an ample opportunity to prove himself and blew it, some QB's don't even get a quarter to prove themselves. Bottom line he threw an INT, now I know theres going to be a few of you who say the reciever ran the wrong route on that INT, but that's no excuse, as for his fumble with that cheap shot, well that was the last straw, we all know how Gibbs feels about turnovers, if you turn the ball over your out of there regardless of who you are.

As for Campbell, I believe Matty is right on this one, Brunell is the starter next season, and possibly the season after that, there is no sense in rushing a young QB, we are 5-5 and still much alive in the playoff race, we all knew Campbell was a 2 year project at best when we gave away this upcoming draft for him, lets not ruin him by throwing him to the wolves this soon, 1st rd QB's take a lot of time to develope, look at Ramsey he's still developing, nope I believe Gibbs is right on track with Brunell, now if we could only get the defense to hold teams below 10 points we would be fine.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by scowan

I think we are all overacting on Brunell. The reason the Skins are losing is because the "D" can't stop the big play, (or very many plays for that matter) and in the 2nd half Sunday, I blame what I thought was very poor play calling on our inability to come back. There were several series late in the game when Brunell dropped back to pass 3 straight times and had three straight incompletions when we had 2 WRs (thrash and patten) out of the game. Way to go Gibbs, play to our strenghts! And all of those bombs to Taylor Jacobs, were a joke.

That's it I had it, no one, and I mean NO ONE, questions Gibbs on this site, he's a hall of famer and has won 3 SB's, how many have you one sir?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

We are going no where with Brunell.... period i wanna see what ramsey can do..he played great at the end of last year.... brunells luck is over that arm is dead again plain and simple

Will you people stop talking about last season, last season is over, didn't anyone watch Ramsey play in the pre-season, he was horrific, and I don't want to hear the same old argument that he played against starters, and Brunell played against the starting 11 at the UPS loading dock! Did you pay attention to that first quarter of the Bears game? Ramsey is lucky he's not bagging groceries somewhere.

Brunell's arm is dead? I don't know how you came up with that, the man is 2-5 in our last 7 games, anyone else would be 0-7, how Brunell can even put up with the team that's around him is beyond me, you just wait comcast, as soon as Williams assembles the 85' bears on defense Brunells win lose stats will go way up. You can take that to the bank!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Ben Roethlisberger. But for us, I can't think of anyone who had came in as a rookie and had led us to a winning season. I think when Mark Rypien finally nailed down the starting position, he had already been in the league for a year, maybe two.

Close, He really didn't nail it down until the season he won the SB about 6 seasons, in fact that season was a due or die for him.

[MTK]