Basically, it all starts with Portis

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

sounds like you should get a job a GM, since everyone else (besides you) is obviously an idiot.

It's not like I would expect you to understand what I am talking about, there is a difference between a football man, and a football fan, I never called anyone an idiot, but if lack of understanding and insight on the breakdown of the game makes you feel like one, that's something you will have to deal with.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I get your point..................but, If he doesn't have any business being GM, it would tend to discount the accuracy of his argument.
In a perfect world some of these things may be true. However, when Gibbs and his team took the skins, as we all know, the team had been in COMPLETE disarray for some time. When you must make radical player changes immediately, and the timing is not of your choosing, you make the best deal you can. It may not be the deal you want. Being in a weak bargaining position, makes it impossible to drive a really good deal, so you do the best you can.
Additionally, it is real easy to blow up a speculative, foundationless commentary when the author has no skin on the table.

Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post you don't agree with is as baseless as it gets, why don't you go ahead and explain how we are better off for having all 4 of those players, all 4 of which I said we shouldn't either extend their contracts, or trade for, before their signings became reality, now my evaluation of these players are starting to become more and more apparent, and yet so long as they play for the skins they are somehow better than what they really are because their redskins.


You make it sound as if we were pigeonholed into the Portis trade, or the Brunell trade, or resigning Samuels, what about Lavar?

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

Further more if you can't get the deal you want don't go out and break the bank to do so.

[FirstandTen]

Were not the only team making mistakes. Here's a list of the top 25 player salaries in 2004.

Manning, Peyton $ 35,037,700 Indianapolis Colts
2 Pennington, Chad $ 19,004,000 New York Jets
3 Kearse, Jevon $ 16,536,500 Philadelphia Eagles
4 Tomlinson, LaDainian $ 16,000,000 San Diego Chargers
5 Wistrom, Grant $ 15,503,200 Seattle Seahawks
6 Portis, Clinton $ 13,380,000 Washington Redskins
7 Tait, John $ 13,085,000 Chicago Bears
8 Vick, Michael $ 12,502,400 Atlanta Falcons
9 Winfield, Antoine $ 12,500,000 Minnesota Vikings
10 Arrington, LaVar $ 11,835,000 Washington Redskins
11 Walker, Gary $ 11,804,000 Houston Texans
12 Clifton, Chad $ 11,536,500 Green Bay Packers
13 Woody, Damien $ 11,504,000 Detroit Lions
14 McNabb, Donovan $ 11,002,300 Philadelphia Eagles
15 Springs, Shawn $ 10,910,000 Washington Redskins
16 Ogden, Jonathan $ 10,660,299 Baltimore Ravens
17 Harrison, Marvin $ 10,560,165 Indianapolis Colts
18 Wade, Todd $ 10,539,800 Houston Texans
19 McAlister, Chris $ 10,534,906 Baltimore Ravens
20 Robertson, Dewayne $ 10,516,250 New York Jets
21 Ogunleye, Adewale $ 10,455,000 Chicago Bears
22 Rogers, Shaun $ 9,480,000 Detroit Lions
23 Bulger, Marc $ 9,459,200 St. Louis Rams
24 Brunell, Mark $ 9,364,300 Washington Redskins
25 Gallery, Robert $ 9,300,016 Oakland Raiders

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

So you're suggesting we could've taken all that money and done what with it? If Snyder had not spent the money on those players, he would've done the exact same thing, but with different players. So instead of paying our current stars, three of which are in the prime of their careers, we'd have 100 million plus locked up in the 2005 versions of Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, and Jeff George.

Every team in the league pays big bucks to it's stars. If you want a team with a bunch of low payed nobodies, become an Arizona Cardinals fan.

[skin4Life28]

Whats baffling about that list is that NE does not have one player in the top 25. Simply amazing how they handle there money and win superbowls.

[jdlea]

I was just wondering if anyone else thinks this happens in other cities. Do you think San Diego fans go around and tear down Antonio Gates and LT? Do they scream for Rivers despite making the playoffs last year? Do you think Bears fan bitch about Urlacher? Cause I sure as hell don't. We're over .500 for the first time in a long time and we wanna cut everybody...pure genius. I have a question...was Portis overrated when we were 3 and 0? Did we waste money then?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jdlea

We're over .500 for the first time in a long time and we wanna cut everybody...pure genius. I have a question...was Portis overrated when we were 3 and 0? Did we waste money then?

Nobody's talking about CUTTING Clinton Portis. Some have simply observed the he has not exactly had the game-changing impact that many expected when we gave up Champ Bailey and a second round pick to get him. Outside of that one run against the Buccaneers on opening day last year, he's accomplished about as much as any other running back could have done for far less.

It's just another cog in the wheel of recklessly charging after high priced free agents at a time when most of us thought that strategy would cease with the cool-headed nature of Joe Gibbs calling the shots. Instead, we pay for moves like this without any depth at critical spots along both lines, while bargaining away draft picks year after year.

When the Skins were 3-0, Clinton Portis had 4.17 yards per carry and zero touchdowns. In eight games against NFC East opponents as a Redskin, he's been good for 3.6 yards per carry. That's an average performance, jdlea. That's not calling for him to be cut, that's calling it like it is.

Maybe it's just me, but considering what we parted with to get him, I guess I just expected more at this point.

Apparently, I was asking WAY too much.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post you don't agree with is as baseless as it gets, why don't you go ahead and explain how we are better off for having all 4 of those players, all 4 of which I said we shouldn't either extend their contracts, or trade for, before their signings became reality, now my evaluation of these players are starting to become more and more apparent, and yet so long as they play for the skins they are somehow better than what they really are because their redskins.


You make it sound as if we were pigeonholed into the Portis trade, or the Brunell trade, or resigning Samuels, what about Lavar?

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

Further more if you can't get the deal you want don't go out and break the bank to do so.

What you are trying to pass as an arguement is ABSURD! What NFL contract goes to completion without restructure? Who would you have replace Brunell, and for what price? Do you suggest he is not doing the job? What do you envision as a legitimate, realistic salary for a starting NFL QB? More importantly, WHAT could POSSIBLY make you BELIEVE YOUR opinion is anything more than that????? I ask this question because I CANNOT POSSIBLY imagine!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by skin4Life28

Whats baffling about that list is that NE does not have one player in the top 25. Simply amazing how they handle there money and win superbowls.

They have done what Joe is attempting to do.......build a winner for some time to come. Obviously, Belichick knows his stuff

[STPainmaker]

CP needs to be in a scheme that is like denvers. Stretch plays which let him make one big cut and pick his holes. He is still running this way now after 2 years. CP doesn't get alot of yards after contact which Gibbs backs need to be able to do.

[STPainmaker]

Mind your words your post is no better than anyone elses.


[QUOTE=offiss]Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

It's not like I would expect you to understand what I am talking about, there is a difference between a football man, and a football fan, I never called anyone an idiot, but if lack of understanding and insight on the breakdown of the game makes you feel like one, that's something you will have to deal with.

apparently understanding isn't really your forte, since a simple post seems to have gone way over your head. better luck next time.

Your post was just another I told you so based on nothing... I see no facts that in any way prove you could have done better or that the redskins would be better without those players... who'd replace CS, how much would he cost? what about portis? what's hiss replacements price tag? you think betts would have performed nearly as well? if so i'd say you'd be in a small minority there. Next time before busting out the holier-than-thou, look-how-smart-i-am, I-told-you-so, the-FO-sucks-because-they're-not-doing-what-i-told-them-to-do-in-hindsight
crap, maybe you should take a deep breathe and not be so reactionary.

how come you didn't make such a big f**cking deal about this last week? or the week before? all of a sudden we lose and suprise, we've got a home grown genius with enough hindsight to tell us all why life isn't worth living if not done his way.

what you offered wasn't a breakdown (those contain facts and analysis) - it was another pointless convenient rant following a loss.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

apparently understanding isn't really your forte, since a simple post seems to have gone way over your head. better luck next time.

Your post was just another I told you so based on nothing... I see no facts that in any way prove you could have done better or that the redskins would be better without those players... who'd replace CS, how much would he cost? what about portis? what's hiss replacements price tag? you think betts would have performed nearly as well? if so i'd say you'd be in a small minority there. Next time before busting out the holier-than-thou, look-how-smart-i-am, I-told-you-so, the-FO-sucks-because-they're-not-doing-what-i-told-them-to-do-in-hindsight
crap, maybe you should take a deep breathe and not be so reactionary.

how come you didn't make such a big f**cking deal about this last week? or the week before? all of a sudden we lose and suprise, we've got a home grown genius with enough hindsight to tell us all why life isn't worth living if not done his way.

what you offered wasn't a breakdown (those contain facts and analysis) - it was another pointless convenient rant following a loss.

NUF' SAID!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

how come you didn't make such a big f**cking deal about this last week? or the week before? all of a sudden we lose and suprise, we've got a home grown genius with enough hindsight to tell us all why life isn't worth living if not done his way.

what you offered wasn't a breakdown (those contain facts and analysis) - it was another pointless convenient rant following a loss.

Haven't you picked up on this pattern yet?

After a loss that's when all the armchair GMs come out to play.

Boring and predictable.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Haven't you picked up on this pattern yet?

After a loss that's when all the armchair GMs come out to play.

Boring and predictable.

AMEN!