Round'em up

VTSkins897 · 09-20-2005, 08:47 AM

i don't think you can blame anyone for having their doubts; i did and in the heat of the moment up until the 4th qtr. i def. was getting irritated. i guess that's why i, like most ppl here, never turn off the games. instead of saying 'in your face' though i'd say something like "aren't you glad you were wrong? at least this week." i sure as hell am.

That Guy · 09-20-2005, 10:11 AM

why all this attacking? brunell looked awful for 56minutes and then midnight stuck and he turned into a pro bowler, but whether its the scheme or him or whatever, we still had an awful 3+ quarters before turning the corner, so I'm still going to withhold judgement (brunell was great vs dallas last year too), but i'm glad we have the win and we'll see where it goes from here

SUNRA · 09-20-2005, 10:21 AM

[QUOTE=That Guy]why all this attacking? brunell looked awful for 56minutes and then midnight stuck and he turned into a pro bowler, but whether its the scheme or him or whatever, we still had an awful 3+ quarters before turning the corner, so I'm still going to withhold judgement (brunell was great vs dallas last year too), but i'm glad we have the win and we'll see where it goes from here

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You can withold judgement all you want. The fact is Brunell led this team like a true QB is supposed to. He kept them together and got the ball to the right player at the right time. And even rushed for 35yds. When it's all said and done, Brunell threw for more yds than Bledsoe, Moss caught for more yds than Terry Glenn and the Redskins are 2-0, sitting pretty with a bye week.

How many times did we dominate Dallas for four quarters only to lose on a stupid broken play? That's why you play until the clock says 0:00. Remember last year? We dominated the majority of the games we lost against Dallas, so it is fitting that we get a win in the same way they have beaten us. It's called karma. Or as the old folks say, "What goes around, comes around." Mark (Brunell) my words, we will win more games than anyone can imagine.

That Guy · 09-20-2005, 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=SUNRA]

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Originally Posted by That Guy

why all this attacking? brunell looked awful for 56minutes and then midnight stuck and he turned into a pro bowler, but whether its the scheme or him or whatever, we still had an awful 3+ quarters before turning the corner, so I'm still going to withhold judgement (brunell was great vs dallas last year too), but i'm glad we have the win and we'll see where it goes from here

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You can withold judgement all you want. The fact is Brunell led this team like a true QB is supposed to. He kept them together and got the ball to the right player at the right time. And even rushed for 35yds. When it's all said and done, Brunell threw for more yds than Bledsoe, Moss caught for more yds than Terry Glenn and the Redskins are 2-0, sitting pretty with a bye week.

How many times did we dominate Dallas for four quarters only to lose on a stupid broken play? That's why you play until the clock says 0:00. Remember last year? We dominated the majority of the games we lost against Dallas, so it is fitting that we get a win in the same way they have beaten us. It's called karma. Or as the old folks say, "What goes around, comes around." Mark (Brunell) my words, we will win more games than anyone can imagine.

i understand all that, brunell turned into superman, but that doesn't mean he was great the first 56minutes. I'm withholding judgement cause i can't tell if the scheme + brunell's trust etc finally turned the corner or not yet. But if it has, i'll definately be happy to watch it

But beyond that, a win is a win, and he's 1-0 vs dallas this year.

SUNRA · 09-20-2005, 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=That Guy][QUOTE=SUNRA]

i understand all that, brunell turned into superman, but that doesn't mean he was great the first 56minutes. I'm withholding judgement cause i can't tell if the scheme + brunell's trust etc finally turned the corner or not yet. But if it has, i'll definately be happy to watch it

But beyond that, a win is a win, and he's 1-0 vs dallas this year.[/QUOTE

Man I'm not going to say shit at work. I'm going to sit there like we loss and let the accolades come to me. They know how crazy I am about the Redskins. I'm not even going to where anything burgundy and gold. Just sit there like I expected us to do what we did. Enjoy your two weeks.

RedskinPete · 09-20-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Brunell played absolutely horrible for 3 quarters, if he can play anything like he did in the 4th consistantly, then fine. Otherwise, I still don't believe in him.

Just tell me what in Ramsey do you see that is any better? He is not ready. I hope to God he is some day!!! There is so much in his game he needs to work on!!!

That Guy · 09-20-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Just tell me what in Ramsey do you see that is any better? He is not ready. I hope to God he is some day!!! There is so much in his game he needs to work on!!!

i don't think daseal said anything about ramsey here...

skins052bgr8 · 09-20-2005, 01:47 PM

Brunell's play was definitely not the problem with the offense. Our offense is moving the ball. Our drive Killers and in turn our offense killer was blitzes which turned to five sacks (Drive Killer). Penalties drive killers. If one of those two did not occur during several of the drives we would be talking much more points. I was one of those who doubted Brunell, but his play was very solid several scrambles out of the pocket to make plays to Cooley, Thrash, 2 scrambles that led to first downs with Santana then the two bombs. Dallas's blitzes created much problems rather than our offense not making plays.

That Guy · 09-20-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

Brunell's play was definitely not the problem with the offense. Our offense is moving the ball. Our drive Killers and in turn our offense killer was blitzes which turned to five sacks (Drive Killer). Penalties drive killers. If one of those two did not occur during several of the drives we would be talking much more points. I was one of those who doubted Brunell, but his play was very solid several scrambles out of the pocket to make plays to Cooley, Thrash, 2 scrambles that led to first downs with Santana then the two bombs. Dallas's blitzes created much problems rather than our offense not making plays.

the quick 2yard dump offs either in the scheme or whatever are also drive killers... we FINALLY opened up a bit at the end and we were able to move the ball much faster.

illdefined · 09-20-2005, 02:23 PM

Portis is NOT supposed to have more catches than Patten, Jacobs and Cooley combined like he did last night. those check downs were what killed the drives. those dinky passes keep everyone in the box just as much as runs do.

SmootSmack · 09-20-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

Portis is NOT supposed to have more catches than Patten, Jacobs and Cooley combined like he did last night. those check downs were what killed the drives. those dinky passes keep everyone in the box just as much as runs do.

It looked to me like the receivers were being really well-covered early on. I'm not sure why but it looked like when Patten went out and they went to Moss, Thrash and Jacobs that they were getting open. Brunell isn't going to force something that's not there

Beemnseven · 09-20-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

Consider me tarred and feathered!

I've never been so happy to be so wrong!

By the way, I'll be enjoying a tall cold one tomorrow, courtesy of my favorite Cowboy fan co-worker. How's that for talking out of both sides of my mouth? :thumb:

I've got to say, though, until about 12:20 a.m. I was busy looking for change to buy him a drink tomorrow!

Hopefully, Gibbs will decide to open up the play-calling a little more in the future, to keep us poor Redskins fans from suffering through flashbacks of 2004 for 3/4 of every game.

Brunell deserves credit for hanging in there and making the clutch throws when they mattered, and leading the Skins to victory.

I'm right there with you, Joe -- feathers and all. But hey, I love it when I'm wrong with an outcome like this!

I think you and I probably overlooked the fact that sooner or later, a Joe Gibbs team will eventually make its mark, and the days of trotting off the field with our tails between our legs in the face of the slightest bit of adversity are gone. Twelve years of past Redskin performances does that to you, though.

Maybe this game truly is the turning point in Gibbs second go 'round in Washington.

illdefined · 09-20-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

It looked to me like the receivers were being really well-covered early on. I'm not sure why but it looked like when Patten went out and they went to Moss, Thrash and Jacobs that they were getting open. Brunell isn't going to force something that's not there

i dunno. that exactly what was said last year. i think Brunell didn't really know what these guys are capable of until last night, and before those circumstances would refuse to throw a pass he considered 'risky'.

but that's the whole knock on Brunell, and what spurned the call for Ramsey last year and this year. Ramsey definitely took more risks, but he wasn't afraid to throw to his receivers instead of checking down. and at least last year it brought us more points (along with the INTs).

SmootSmack · 09-20-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

i dunno. that exactly what was said last year. i think Brunell didn't really know what these guys are capable of until last night, and before those circumstances would refuse to throw a pass he considered 'risky'.

but that's the whole knock on Brunell, and what spurned the call for Ramsey last year and this year. Ramsey definitely took more risks, but he wasn't afraid to throw to his receivers instead of checking down. and at least last year it brought us more points (along with the INTs).

I guess then the question is are we looking for a QB who will take risks at the expense of really hurting our team with a boneheaded play, or someone who will play "not to lose" until it's absolutely necessary to take a risk. And which one is better for this team as it's currently assembled (strong D, superstar running back)

illdefined · 09-20-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I guess then the question is are we looking for a QB who will take risks at the expense of really hurting our team with a boneheaded play, or someone who will play "not to lose" until it's absolutely necessary to take a risk. And which one is better for this team as it's currently assembled (strong D, superstar running back)

yeah man, 100% agreed. i mean ideally what we're looking for is a QB who knows when he can really test the defense and who never makes boneheaded plays. hopefully Campbell will learn to be that guy, but until then, i really don't want to be tossing hail mary's in the 4th quarter to win games.

09-20-2005, 08:47 AM	#31
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	Re: Round'em up i don't think you can blame anyone for having their doubts; i did and in the heat of the moment up until the 4th qtr. i def. was getting irritated. i guess that's why i, like most ppl here, never turn off the games. instead of saying 'in your face' though i'd say something like "aren't you glad you were wrong? at least this week." i sure as hell am.

09-20-2005, 10:11 AM	#32
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Round'em up why all this attacking? brunell looked awful for 56minutes and then midnight stuck and he turned into a pro bowler, but whether its the scheme or him or whatever, we still had an awful 3+ quarters before turning the corner, so I'm still going to withhold judgement (brunell was great vs dallas last year too), but i'm glad we have the win and we'll see where it goes from here

09-20-2005, 10:21 AM	#33
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Round'em up [QUOTE=That Guy]why all this attacking? brunell looked awful for 56minutes and then midnight stuck and he turned into a pro bowler, but whether its the scheme or him or whatever, we still had an awful 3+ quarters before turning the corner, so I'm still going to withhold judgement (brunell was great vs dallas last year too), but i'm glad we have the win and we'll see where it goes from here [/QUOTE You can withold judgement all you want. The fact is Brunell led this team like a true QB is supposed to. He kept them together and got the ball to the right player at the right time. And even rushed for 35yds. When it's all said and done, Brunell threw for more yds than Bledsoe, Moss caught for more yds than Terry Glenn and the Redskins are 2-0, sitting pretty with a bye week. How many times did we dominate Dallas for four quarters only to lose on a stupid broken play? That's why you play until the clock says 0:00. Remember last year? We dominated the majority of the games we lost against Dallas, so it is fitting that we get a win in the same way they have beaten us. It's called karma. Or as the old folks say, "What goes around, comes around." Mark (Brunell) my words, we will win more games than anyone can imagine. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

09-20-2005, 11:10 AM	#35
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Round'em up [QUOTE=That Guy][QUOTE=SUNRA] i understand all that, brunell turned into superman, but that doesn't mean he was great the first 56minutes. I'm withholding judgement cause i can't tell if the scheme + brunell's trust etc finally turned the corner or not yet. But if it has, i'll definately be happy to watch it But beyond that, a win is a win, and he's 1-0 vs dallas this year.[/QUOTE Man I'm not going to say shit at work. I'm going to sit there like we loss and let the accolades come to me. They know how crazy I am about the Redskins. I'm not even going to where anything burgundy and gold. Just sit there like I expected us to do what we did. Enjoy your two weeks. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

09-20-2005, 01:47 PM	#38
skins052bgr8 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 288	Re: Round'em up Brunell's play was definitely not the problem with the offense. Our offense is moving the ball. Our drive Killers and in turn our offense killer was blitzes which turned to five sacks (Drive Killer). Penalties drive killers. If one of those two did not occur during several of the drives we would be talking much more points. I was one of those who doubted Brunell, but his play was very solid several scrambles out of the pocket to make plays to Cooley, Thrash, 2 scrambles that led to first downs with Santana then the two bombs. Dallas's blitzes created much problems rather than our offense not making plays.

09-20-2005, 02:23 PM	#40
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	Re: Round'em up Portis is NOT supposed to have more catches than Patten, Jacobs and Cooley combined like he did last night. those check downs were what killed the drives. those dinky passes keep everyone in the box just as much as runs do.

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