The Gibbs Hypocrisy!

[skinsguy]

Actually, last year, the playoffs were still very much into our plans up until Dallas beat us in the last 30 seconds of the second meeting. If we had beaten the Cowboys, we would have been in the playoffs. I'm also considering the fact that we beat Minnesota last year. So, I wouldn't necessarily say the playoffs were out of the question in Ramsey was inserted into the lineup.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by illdefined

what did Brunell show outside of Jacksonville and the preseasons? anybody??

The one thing the Ramsey loyal fans fail to see is it not about Brunell. It is about Ramsey and his inability to play well consistantly. Ramsey was benched for poor play period. If we had another 2nd stringer it would be them starting right now and not Brunell.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Actually, last year, the playoffs were still very much into our plans up until Dallas beat us in the last 30 seconds of the second meeting. If we had beaten the Cowboys, we would have been in the playoffs. I'm also considering the fact that we beat Minnesota last year. So, I wouldn't necessarily say the playoffs were out of the question in Ramsey was inserted into the lineup.

We were 3-6 and played like shit. Do you really honestly think we were going to make it into the playoffs? Regardless of the math of the crappy NFC east. What, one of the playoff teams in the NFC was the first .500 team to ever make it to the playoffs...in NFL history!

[saskin]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The one thing the Ramsey loyal fans fail to see is it not about Brunell. It is about Ramsey and his inability to play well consistantly. Ramsey was benched for poor play period. If we had another 2nd stringer it would be them starting right now and not Brunell.

Yeah, I think that is the real reason. If anything, the only other QB Gibbs has is Brunell. He obviously (and I don't blame him) doesn't wanna use Campbell too early.

[JWsleep]

Here's what I think about all this hypocrisy talk:

Gibbs named PR the starter in the offseason so he'd gain confidence, work hard all offseason, and not be looking over his shoulder. How did he respond? With happy feet, bad reads, and turnovers. He also had trouble hitting the deep ball--I mean hitting WRs in stride down the field. His WRs made some nice plays coming back to the ball and with RAC, mostly. He held the ball too long and took sacks at bad times. And he NEVER LOOKED COMFORTABLE. I was a PR supporter, but I saw that and hoped it would change. It certainly hadn't in quarter #1 AT HOME AGAINST THE WEAK ASS BEARS. When was it going to happen, in Dallas? Denver? When?

Gibbs gave the guy six months as the starter--but he didn't look like it in practice, in scrimmages, in preseason games, and last sunday. Meanwhile, Brunnell looked like a different guy--we all saw that as well. THis isn't the first time a "bench Ramsey, Play Brunnell" discussion has gone on here, folks. So Gibbs re-evaluated the situation after the game, took everything into account, and made the switch. Is that hypocrisy?

No one in the NFL is guaranteed anything. Sure, if you're Peyton Manning or Donovan or someone, you'll get the benefit of the doubt. But PR has not earned that respect. He's been given lots of chances, IMO, and never stepped up. Y'all want to say that's Gibbs fault--but PR played his role in this too. Go back and look at his posture in the pocket on Sunday. Was he confortable? And check out his long incomplete pass to Cooley: One, it was overthrown; Two, Sanatana Moss had blown by single coverage on the otherside, and Ramsey NEVER SAW HIM! And, finally, check out the INT. What the F*** happens on that play? Is that Gibbs being a hypocrite? Or is that PR throwing away his chance to start?

One last point: Are you all really mad that Gibbs pulled Ramsey, and allegendly went back on his word, or are you just mad because you think Brunnell sucks? My guess is that you are mad becuase you HATE Brunnell after last year. I have sympathy with that, but thats a completely different point. It might make Gibbs dumb to play Brunnell, but it doesn't make him a hypocrite.

Gibbs said NO TURNOVERS. What did PR do after that was said? That was fair warning.

[illdefined]

its not about Brunell? its about anybody who's next because those 20 minutes were so horrid? and when Brunell gets his first turnover, does it go to Campbell? Ramsey? probably not huh. Gibbs has his favorites, there's no denying it.

[Cooley 350Z]

I don't want to get into any name calling or anything, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so here's mine. I was at the game & just went back & watched the broadcast that I tivo'd to make sure I saw it all. More than anything, I feel bad for Patrick Ramsey. I feel like Gibbs is giving him a raw deal, and ultimately I feel like he is making a huge mistake. Trust me, if I'm wrong & Brunell turns out to be the right choice I will absolutely feel like a Munson. However, P.R. in my opinion looked pretty good & getting better before Briggs made an absolutely unmistakable illegal-hit. Brunell didn't look like anything special to me. I'm not looking at this in any other way than as a man, and that is why I feel Gibbs is in the wrong. Tear me apart if you want, thats just my two-cents. In the end we're all just huge fans of a team I so desperately want to see back in the legendary status it deserves.

hail.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We were 3-6 and played like shit. Do you really honestly think we were going to make it into the playoffs? Regardless of the math of the crappy NFC east. What, one of the playoff teams in the NFC was the first .500 team to ever make it to the playoffs...in NFL history!

Yes - were in the playoffs if had hung on to beat the Cowboys and knowing we had beat the Vikings the following week. That was fact. That was all we had to do to make the playoffs.

[doxiechic12000]

Right about now I am ready to give the rookie Campbell a whack at it...what the hell, why not? Giibbs thinks Ramsey can't cut the cake anymore and Brunell can? Who knows, maybe "Scott Brunell" (not sure how many of you picked that up on the commentators calling him by the wrong name) we will all be eating a little crow and "Scott" (roflmao) will actually pick up and play like a professional. Lets just say I am not holding my breath.

Skins 4 life

[diehardskin2982]

brunnel is better on his feet and won't make stupid mistakes like Ramsey. This next game is by far the most important game for us and we better play it as such.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know this is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way so I will offer an apology to those who take offense, other than that to bad!

Gibbs states that we can't turn the ball over, and he wont tolerate it, Brunell 2004 9 TO's in 9 games. 2 of which directly lost us 2 games.

Gibbs now states that basically Brunells hamstring was the reason why he was as incompetent as he was last season, [maybe the worst QBing we have ever seen] yet he played his best game of the year 1 week after his supposed injury against dallas, and now we here all about his big time hammy.

Gibbs promises Brunell the starters position and gives him 9 games to play himself out of the starters position, given the fact that Brunell is a very experinced veteran who shouldn't need the same kind of a learning curve as let's say a young QB like Ramsey.

Ramsey is promised the starters job, after 1 early INT in his first regular season game with his new recieving corps he begins to move the ball up and down the field, at which point after 19 minutes Gibbs say's he's seen enough and has to go back to the teachers pet before Ramsey possibly does something to prevent him from getting Brunell back to starters status, so he doesn't look like an absolute incompetent fool for making that deal to get Brunell here in the first place. We cannot gloss over the fact that Gibbs cost his employer 42 million dollars, couple that with a system back like Portis for another 50 mil. that sure would motivate me to try and force a square peg through a round hole, imagine having to tell your employer you just cost them almost 100 mil and it's not working. And so long as Ramsey starts, thats what's being said.

Gibbs makes the move, which is probably the first I can remember a QB who is moving the ball, and if not for a lousy call would have just directed a TD drive, yanked, usually a QB is lifted because he can't move the ball, [unless your last name is Brunell] but the switch is made AFTER 1 QUARTER OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, then to watch Brunell in almost 3 quarters of play muster up 3 field goals, and 70 yards of passing, and say this is my starter.

Somewhere Bobby Beathard is shaking his head.

Yes,I am rubbed the wrong way.

Most of what you say is your opinion which you are entitled to. The only thing I take exception to is phrase "Ramsey is promised the starters job". There are no promises in pro football. Ramsey was #1 on the depth chart, but in the only opinion that counts he played his way down to #2. And lets be honest it was more than 1 quarter of football....preseason may not count in the standings but in terms of player evaluation it sure does count.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by celts32

Yes,I am rubbed the wrong way.

Most of what you say is your opinion which you are entitled to. The only thing I take exception to is phrase "Ramsey is promised the starters job". There are no promises in pro football. Ramsey was #1 on the depth chart, but in the only opinion that counts he played his way down to #2. And lets be honest it was more than 1 quarter of football....preseason may not count in the standings but in terms of player evaluation it sure does count.

Really, and here I thought it was the regular season that count's, we all saw what happened last year, apparently Brunell beat out Ramsey in the pre-season, then what? Well anyone who watched the games knows what happened, Brunell proceded to play the QB position about as bad as anyone has ever seen, against inferior competition, Ramsey comes in against Pitt, Phila twice, minnesota, 4 of his 6 games go against playoff teams, and 3 of those games against the best defenses in the NFL, and a lose to dallas that if Gibbs didn't go into his conservative shell on our last series and allow dallas another shot at us we would have won.

So I am very curious about pre season evaluation, obviously Gibbs didn't have a clue about evaluating Brunell last season, what makes you think when he was so far off then that he's got it right now?

As far as promises go there are promises, like giving a player a chance to prove himself, Gibbs sure stuck by his word for Brunell last season, and he was as horrible as I have ever seen, Ramsey gets 19 minutes and just finished what should have been a TD drive and that's all folks!


Bottom line for all the Brunell fans out there, 70 yds passing in almost 3 quarters, there's your sharpshooter in a nut shell!

And correction, all of what I have said is my opinion!

[Longtimefan]

I'm in the hundred's now reading all the various post both pro and con relative to this great humanatarian crisis facing our beloved football team. Matty I ageee with your assesment of Patrick Ramsey in that it seems to more closely resemble how Gibbs feels about him as well. I see nothing hypocritical about the move, as a matter of fact I saw it coming at the end of last season for those of us truly famaliar with how JG operates. Gibbs ringing endorsements of Brunell at the end of last season lend credence to the fact we would see Brunell again this season at the most convenient opportunity. I have said many times before I could understand all the unflappable support for Ramsey if he had actually accomplished something in Burgandy and Gold, but that is not the case. We've all seen Brunell play and it's not like he's the savior, but I concur in Gibbs thinking that at this particular time he may offer us the best chance at winning. Just because Gibbs named Ramsey the starter means absolutely nothing unless he's going to play well enough to maintain the status. Nothing is a given in the NFL you have to earn it. Ramsey is like the Cow that gives a good bucket of Milk then kicks it over. To demonstrate now that he was ever truly worthy of the lofty status bestowed upon him he must demonstrate he's a team player and not let his pouting attitude be a disruptive influence on the rest of the team. Depending on his attitude it could be that he might have another opportunity this season if things don't go well with Brunell. Save for his attitude Gibbs just might turn to Campbell if the latter does not work to his satisfaction.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Just because Gibbs named Ramsey the starter means absolutely nothing unless he's going to play well enough to maintain the status. Nothing is a given in the NFL you have to earn it. Ramsey is like the Cow that gives a good bucket of Milk then kicks it over.

Good points. I was thinking of another cow analogy. I forget how it goes exactly, but it's something like "you want the steak but don't want to know how they slaughtered the cow."

Basically, above all else Gibbs has said he wants to bring another Super Bowl trophy to the Redskins. And I think that's what we all want. Along the way, some mistakes will be made, feelings could get hurt, players will get frustrated, and so on. It's not going to be pretty, and it wasn't always pretty all the other times Gibbs won Super Bowls. But nothing comes easy anyway

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I'm in the hundred's now reading all the various post both pro and con relative to this great humanatarian crisis facing our beloved football team. Matty I ageee with your assesment of Patrick Ramsey in that it seems to more closely resemble how Gibbs feels about him as well. I see nothing hypocritical about the move, as a matter of fact I saw it coming at the end of last season for those of us truly famaliar with how JG operates. Gibbs ringing endorsements of Brunell at the end of last season lend credence to the fact we would see Brunell again this season at the most convenient opportunity. I have said many times before I could understand all the unflappable support for Ramsey if he had actually accomplished something in Burgandy and Gold, but that is not the case. We've all seen Brunell play and it's not like he's the savior, but I concur in Gibbs thinking that at this particular time he may offer us the best chance at winning. Just because Gibbs named Ramsey the starter means absolutely nothing unless he's going to play well enough to maintain the status. Nothing is a given in the NFL you have to earn it. Ramsey is like the Cow that gives a good bucket of Milk then kicks it over. To demonstrate now that he was ever truly worthy of the lofty status bestowed upon him he must demonstrate he's a team player and not let his pouting attitude be a disruptive influence on the rest of the team. Depending on his attitude it could be that he might have another opportunity this season if things don't go well with Brunell. Save for his attitude Gibbs just might turn to Campbell if the latter does not work to his satisfaction.

And Brunell is like the guy milking the bull!