RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I love conspiracy theorists. You realize that Goodell has basically zero to do with the schedule, right?

Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I predicted in the other thread that RG3 wouldn't be back until october, I'm definitely sticking with that prediction. No way in hell is going to be playing for us week 1.

Another thing to look at is our schedule. Maybe Goodell makes our schedule really tough to knock us out of playoff contention early so theres a new team that can win the east. Maybe Goodell gives us an easy 4 game schedule to start the season until RG3 comes back. Maybe he gives us all the big games (Atlanta, Denver, San Fran) later in the season so that RG3 will be ready by then and therefore more viewers.

Lets say your tinfoil hat is actually picking up some real signals from the Commish office...this scenario would just make a cupcake schedule at the end of the season when RGIII is back. 7 straight would look like child's play.

[Mechanix544]

I just cannot believe that this is happening already. We had glimpses of it all season, and while we finished the season off strong, looking back, was it worth it having him out there after the first quarter against the seahawks? He was hobbling with a very intense limp. I dunno. I think maybe kirk could have won the game giving him the helm up by 14. I know its already ancient history, but having our franchise guy ALREADY with a torn ACL (his second) and a torn LCL doesn't bode well for the future. This is where he needs to become ultra cerebral, and learn to just be a pocket passer, and only a very situational scrambler.

Knowing his personality, I think its going to be tough to keep him in the pocket, even when he returns after all of this.

Get well RG3. Do not come back one SECOND before you are fully and completely healed. If it takes all of next season, so it goes. Just gives kirk a chance to show teams that he is worth that first and second rounder he will command after next season!!!!

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree, but i dont think its a matter of "balls." Shanahan sat RGIII when RGIII wanted to play/beleived he could play.

THe problem i have is that Shanahan allowed RGIII to come back and play - as long as he wore the brace. I can see allowing that for an offensive lineman, who is going to be fairly immobile during a game - but given that RGIIIs position requires him to scramble and make alot of quick cuts, the brace becomes less effective. The brace slipped out of place, and thats what resulted in RGIIIs injury. Shanahan should have forseen the possibility/liklihood of that happening and not allowed RGIII to come back until he was truly 100%.

After this surgery, i dont want to see RGIII on the field again until he is 100%. And by 100%, i dont mean the 100% RGIII said he was in recent weeks - that was BS. Until Shanahan can see RGIII move around just like he did during the Saints game - without any sort of brace - he doesnt need to step on the field. I dont care if he misses the entire season - he needs to FULLY heal before he tries to play football.

This. Especially the bold.

I just want to add one small thing:

I have said this before and I will continue to reiterate it ... what happened on FedEx against the Ravens when Robert first injured his knee was a remarkable thing. He affected the play on the field that he was not playing on, as well giving energy to the crowd that was behind the home team.

That is very special. I said then he would lead us to extraordinary heights.

Cap'n Kirk has 48 whopping pass attempts, and I'm not going to turn him into Roger Staubach. Yes, he faced down 2-20 and gave us the game-tying TD and two-point conversion that led to the game-winning FG when the Ravens were forced to punt in OT.

But it was Robert who pushed the team down the field and gave us two crucial passes to put us in the position to tie and win; it was Robert whom the 'Skins were inspired by and rallied behind to pull out that win. We would have lost last year, or the year before that, or, hell, any year since Sean Taylor was murdered and taken away from us.

Robert brought them all together and that allowed Cap'n Kirk to finish off the Ravens and beam up the Browns the next week.

I have faith in Cousins, but I don't think that either Robert's fearlessness and stubbornness, nor Shanahan's stubbornness and belief in him, and the situation they both find themselves and have put this organization into because of the mistakes that courage and bravery and belief caused should erase any of that. I believe the team will rally behing Capn' Kirk and he will hold the fort down and may even achieve great success.

But Robert is the binding component in all of it. He's the one who's fire and passion changed our organization's culture. You think those guys are gonna go out there and think that they are done if the score is down by a TD in the last four minutes of a game ever again? You think they are gonna give up on games going forward that they would have given up on before this past season?

'Cause I don't.

And Robert has a lot - a LOT - to do with that.

He just needs to get healthy now, and if that means he sits out a whole season, so be it. If he's brought onto himself a possible QB controversy if Cap'n Kirk does well next season, he will have to realize that is also another consequence of his fearlessness and stubbornness. And that's football. But I think just having him leading from the sidelines will keep us heading up.

Anyway, you guys take care. Think I'm going to stay away from here for awhile, probably until F/A and the draft. Too much reading of people's personal gripes and far-out tinfoilhattery and watching them force that to fit what's happened.

It is what it is. It's football. But seeing that happening is too disappointing for words.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Lets say your tinfoil hat is actually picking up some real signals from the Commish office...this scenario would just make a cupcake schedule at the end of the season when RGIII is back. 7 straight would look like child's play.

I'm just throwing out different scenarios, and didn't we have at the start of the season a "brutual" schedule towards the end of our season? I believe the answer was yes (but as it turns out some of those preseason tough teams don't end up being that great by then)

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I just cannot believe that this is happening already. We had glimpses of it all season, and while we finished the season off strong, looking back, was it worth it having him out there after the first quarter against the seahawks? He was hobbling with a very intense limp. I dunno. I think maybe kirk could have won the game giving him the helm up by 14. I know its already ancient history, but having our franchise guy ALREADY with a torn ACL (his second) and a torn LCL doesn't bode well for the future. This is where he needs to become ultra cerebral, and learn to just be a pocket passer, and only a very situational scrambler.

Exactly!! This is why they should have benched him till he was healthy to begin with, he is the FRANCHISE QB after all. It's over and done can't cry over spilled milk, let's just hope he doesn't suffer a third knee injury cause that could be it whether he's young or not.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?

SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree, but i dont think its a matter of "balls." Shanahan sat RGIII when RGIII wanted to play/beleived he could play.

THe problem i have is that Shanahan allowed RGIII to come back and play - as long as he wore the brace. I can see allowing that for an offensive lineman, who is going to be fairly immobile during a game - but given that RGIIIs position requires him to scramble and make alot of quick cuts, the brace becomes less effective. The brace slipped out of place, and thats what resulted in RGIIIs injury. Shanahan should have forseen the possibility/liklihood of that happening and not allowed RGIII to come back until he was truly 100%.

After this surgery, i dont want to see RGIII on the field again until he is 100%. And by 100%, i dont mean the 100% RGIII said he was in recent weeks - that was BS. Until Shanahan can see RGIII move around just like he did during the Saints game - without any sort of brace - he doesnt need to step on the field. I dont care if he misses the entire season - he needs to FULLY heal before he tries to play football.

Eh?

His knee was already compromised, didn't take much to injure it further. A brace does little to prevent injury... it's just there to provide support to a weak joint.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.

There is, and I believe they sort through almost 50k scenarios before they settle on the one that works best for everyone. To think that one guy would deliberately go out of his way to make one teams schedule extra hard is among the more crazy ideas I've heard.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I predicted in the other thread that RG3 wouldn't be back until october, I'm definitely sticking with that prediction. No way in hell is going to be playing for us week 1.

Another thing to look at is our schedule. Maybe Goodell makes our schedule really tough to knock us out of playoff contention early so theres a new team that can win the east. Maybe Goodell gives us an easy 4 game schedule to start the season until RG3 comes back. Maybe he gives us all the big games (Atlanta, Denver, San Fran) later in the season so that RG3 will be ready by then and therefore more viewers.

That's not how it works

Each network prepares their proposed schedule and then negotiates amongst each other with the NFL's Howard Katz having final say. There are many, many factors involved in creating the schedule

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Eh?

His knee was already compromised, didn't take much to injure it further. A brace does little to prevent injury... it's just there to provide support to a weak joint.

True but I doubt Shanny made this decision alone. I'm sure the medical staff was consulted and told Shanny the risks/rewards of wearing the knee brace.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.

Everyone knows that's what Santa's elves do one they're done with Xmas.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I think he'll rush back and be starting week 1. That's just how he is, hopefully he will be OK for the rest of his career. I really hope he's not the next grant hill of the NFL

There'll be no way to keep him off the field if he says he's OK and the doc says he's OK, and he's moving like RG moves normally...

If Kirk plays lights out in pre-season MS will have a real problem on his hand with RG when the season starts. No way does RG sit if healthy and "fully healed". And who decides what "fully healed" means? Well, you gotta start with the Doc, right behind him RG. If those two agree MS has very little choice.

It all has the makings of wonderful drama come August/September for all of us...

[Chico23231]

We are now on scheduling conspiracies? Man ive seen some amazing stuff on this board since the injury, never been this crazy.

People, its football. Guys get hurt all the time. Im thoroughly exhasted from the 1)blame game 2) injury speculation in the assumptions room and now 3)Time tables.

Let's let this play out, and please note, the Kurt Cousins pick is another feather in the genius cap of the FO. Im sure we already have a plan and I got faith, regardless of the RG3 injury, we will remain competitive in our division.

[GoSkins!]

Update 10:57: While conducting surgery to repair the torn lateral collateral ligament in Robert Griffin III’s right knee, Dr. James Andrews found that the quarterback’s anterior cruciate ligament is in relatively good condition. But a person with knowledge of the situation said the ligament “needs to be stronger.”

Robert Griffin III surgery is underway [updated]