wade phillips wow

#56fanatic · 11-18-2010, 10:50 AM

The questions i have is our defense is so bad at giving up yards and big plays, it would seem to reason to be much more aggressive at getting to the QB. I know we tried that early in the season, and didn't work to well. But, we are dead last in the NFL, so what would it hurt to employ a blitz heavy defense, play more cover zero, let Carlos and Hall play more man to man which both seem to want to do. the rush 3 or 4 stuff isn't getting the QB, and the zones we play are getting picked apart. I just remember when buddy ryan took over teams, he immediately made them better. Regardless of personel because he sent the house pretty much everydown and said you may beat me once in a while, but I am going to be on top of your qb and creating havoc. GW did it here his first couple of years, because he didn't have a ton of talent on the D side but blitzed like crazy to mask the problems else where. It is just a thought. Having your secondary cover a guy for 2 less seconds a play is better than having them getting eaten up by having to cover for 3 to 4 seconds every play. I know this may not be a popular post, but like i said how could we get worse. I see teams around the NFL line up 6 guys and send the house and QB's are getting hit, forced into quick throws, making bad choices. Seems like our D is reacting to plays vs dictating the plays.

SBXVII · 11-18-2010, 10:52 AM

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It's only because we just gave up close to 60 and Wade and Shanahan are friends who have worked together before that these rumors are popping up. Defensive coordinators are always on the hot seat with Shanahan. But I think Mike Zimmer was, and will continue to be the top choice and Slowik will probably be a high choice as well

Good info I didn't know but I thought part of the reason M.Shanahan was fired was cause he refused to fire his DC in Denver? I have not looked but does anyone know how many DC's Shanahan has worked with? I kinda thought he only had 2 while in Denver and the first got fired after a very long stint and then MS picked the guy we got. When the owner wanted him fired MS said no.

SBXVII · 11-18-2010, 10:59 AM

56, your ideas seem good but might not have worked with the Eagles. D.Jackson is a speedster and Hall nor Carlos were going to keep up with him. The team did a nice job of jamming the WR's at the line of scrimmage in the first game. I think they were banking on that happening again and the Eagles figured a way around that. On the first play of the game Hall tries to jam DJ and if you watch DJ was ready for it and side stepped it and was gone. The only thing Hall could do 5 yards back was point to DJ in hopes the Safety would take him. I assume Landry was watching the QB and saw DJ late and tried to get over to make the play.

Edit: I'm of course refering to you saying that the CB's should be playing more man to man.

#56fanatic · 11-18-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

56, your ideas seem good but might not have worked with the Eagles. D.Jackson is a speedster and Hall nor Carlos were going to keep up with him. The team did a nice job of jamming the WR's at the line of scrimmage in the first game. I think they were banking on that happening again and the Eagles figured a way around that. On the first play of the game Hall tries to jam DJ and if you watch DJ was ready for it and side stepped it and was gone. The only thing Hall could do 5 yards back was point to DJ in hopes the Safety would take him. I assume Landry was watching the QB and saw DJ late and tried to get over to make the play.

Edit: I'm of course refering to you saying that the CB's should be playing more man to man.

On that play it looks to me that Hall was letting him go, covering the underneath in a short zone, leaving Landry covering deep. Which is what Vick and DJ even said after the game. This was a designed play to score, not just a big gain. Vick said we did exactly what they anticipated.

SBXVII · 11-18-2010, 11:05 AM

I think the simple answer is we need to rebuild and make better our OL and DL. It kinda sounds weird coming from me since all through the Gibbs era I advocated a better QB, better WR's, and so on. Give a decen QB all day to throw and even with mediocre WR's he'll pick you apart. Hopefully MS brings in a better Center and RT either through the draft (which I prefer) or FA.

Our DL is not that great either. Which is why we don't get the push you see from the Jets or the Ravens.

rbanerjee23 · 11-18-2010, 11:08 AM

link? Also, no way that is happening

SBXVII · 11-18-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

On that play it looks to me that Hall was letting him go, covering the underneath in a short zone, leaving Landry covering deep. Which is what Vick and DJ even said after the game. This was a designed play to score, not just a big gain. Vick said we did exactly what they anticipated.

and your right obviously but I think the team still banked on our CB getting a better jam at the line on all the WR's to slow them down. They exposed what we fans have screamed for years.... Landry is not a FS. He needs to be closer to the line or what they finally changed to after we went down by 4 TD's. Haslett changed up what he was doing and used the same defense he used on the Colts. Event he announcers mentioned it. Landry's job changed to being a spy for Vick.

In a nut shell it seems in the last few game the Skins have spotted teams 1 or 2 TD's and would come back after the half and pull the game out or make it close. The Eagles figured if they could score fast and get ahead far enough we wouldn't be able to come back. Ta Da.

skinster · 11-18-2010, 11:24 AM

I think that Haslett and Wade are very similar D-coordinators. They both try to put up alot of sacks/picks, but both give up alot of yards and points in the process. Wade is better at it though.

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-18-2010, 11:45 AM

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I rather have Dick Jauron.

I'd rather have LeBeau

DIEHARD1980 · 11-18-2010, 11:46 AM

i would love it. he is an awesome defensive coordinator. maybe not a good head coach but he can put a defense together. bring him in now!!!!!!!!!!!

CrustyRedskin · 11-18-2010, 11:55 AM

Id rather have anyone but a cowboy.

hooskins · 11-18-2010, 11:57 AM

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

KLHJ2 · 11-18-2010, 11:58 AM

I wasn't exactly pleased when the Skins hired Hasslet but he has just implemented the 3-4 and he doesn't quite have all of the pieces that he needs for it yet.

I just think that it would be a typical "Redskins-type" knee jerk reaction to let him go after one season. The entire league expects us to pull crap like this and frankly it's beyond embarrassing at this point. Can't we just give it time and be sure that it was a mistake before we assume that it was one too quickly?

Even Gregg Williams and Gragg Blache's Defenses got their asses lit up at one time or another. Whether you are a top 10 defense or not, it happens.

skinsfan69 · 11-18-2010, 12:14 PM

I don't care who comes here. We need a whole new front 7, end of discussion.

MTK · 11-18-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care who comes here. We need a whole new front 7, end of discussion.

You're done with Rak?

11-18-2010, 10:50 AM	#31
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: wade phillips wow The questions i have is our defense is so bad at giving up yards and big plays, it would seem to reason to be much more aggressive at getting to the QB. I know we tried that early in the season, and didn't work to well. But, we are dead last in the NFL, so what would it hurt to employ a blitz heavy defense, play more cover zero, let Carlos and Hall play more man to man which both seem to want to do. the rush 3 or 4 stuff isn't getting the QB, and the zones we play are getting picked apart. I just remember when buddy ryan took over teams, he immediately made them better. Regardless of personel because he sent the house pretty much everydown and said you may beat me once in a while, but I am going to be on top of your qb and creating havoc. GW did it here his first couple of years, because he didn't have a ton of talent on the D side but blitzed like crazy to mask the problems else where. It is just a thought. Having your secondary cover a guy for 2 less seconds a play is better than having them getting eaten up by having to cover for 3 to 4 seconds every play. I know this may not be a popular post, but like i said how could we get worse. I see teams around the NFL line up 6 guys and send the house and QB's are getting hit, forced into quick throws, making bad choices. Seems like our D is reacting to plays vs dictating the plays.

11-18-2010, 10:59 AM	#33
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: wade phillips wow 56, your ideas seem good but might not have worked with the Eagles. D.Jackson is a speedster and Hall nor Carlos were going to keep up with him. The team did a nice job of jamming the WR's at the line of scrimmage in the first game. I think they were banking on that happening again and the Eagles figured a way around that. On the first play of the game Hall tries to jam DJ and if you watch DJ was ready for it and side stepped it and was gone. The only thing Hall could do 5 yards back was point to DJ in hopes the Safety would take him. I assume Landry was watching the QB and saw DJ late and tried to get over to make the play. Edit: I'm of course refering to you saying that the CB's should be playing more man to man.

11-18-2010, 11:05 AM	#35
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: wade phillips wow I think the simple answer is we need to rebuild and make better our OL and DL. It kinda sounds weird coming from me since all through the Gibbs era I advocated a better QB, better WR's, and so on. Give a decen QB all day to throw and even with mediocre WR's he'll pick you apart. Hopefully MS brings in a better Center and RT either through the draft (which I prefer) or FA. Our DL is not that great either. Which is why we don't get the push you see from the Jets or the Ravens.

11-18-2010, 11:08 AM	#36
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: wade phillips wow link? Also, no way that is happening __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

11-18-2010, 11:24 AM	#38
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: wade phillips wow I think that Haslett and Wade are very similar D-coordinators. They both try to put up alot of sacks/picks, but both give up alot of yards and points in the process. Wade is better at it though.

11-18-2010, 11:46 AM	#40
DIEHARD1980 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: CROFTON, MD Posts: 37	Re: wade phillips wow i would love it. he is an awesome defensive coordinator. maybe not a good head coach but he can put a defense together. bring him in now!!!!!!!!!!!

11-18-2010, 11:55 AM	#41
CrustyRedskin Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: RatherbeinDC, TX Posts: 3,059	Re: wade phillips wow Id rather have anyone but a cowboy. __________________ Lafayette, we're here. HTTR. You wern't a bunch of losers on 10-27-14.

11-18-2010, 11:57 AM	#42
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: wade phillips wow dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb! __________________ Vacancy

11-18-2010, 11:58 AM	#43
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 46 Posts: 5,829	Re: wade phillips wow I wasn't exactly pleased when the Skins hired Hasslet but he has just implemented the 3-4 and he doesn't quite have all of the pieces that he needs for it yet. I just think that it would be a typical "Redskins-type" knee jerk reaction to let him go after one season. The entire league expects us to pull crap like this and frankly it's beyond embarrassing at this point. Can't we just give it time and be sure that it was a mistake before we assume that it was one too quickly? Even Gregg Williams and Gragg Blache's Defenses got their asses lit up at one time or another. Whether you are a top 10 defense or not, it happens.

11-18-2010, 12:14 PM	#44
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,265	Re: wade phillips wow I don't care who comes here. We need a whole new front 7, end of discussion.

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