Free Safety

[freddyg12]

does anyone know how much cover 2 Haslett runs, if any?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I believe Haslett have packages that will require some specific players to play all positions, depending on their skills.. For example, Laron - he can set up at LB area as LB but then plays as SS during the play.. It's just matter of different strategies, not a big deal.. Unless those strategies sucks..

Edit: DirtBag pretty much got it, I was SS in HS and college (nothing big) but some plays I played FS.. It all depends on players' skills and how coaches utilize them..

That's pretty much the way Hasslett described his use of the safety positions.

The game has changed so much from it's early concepts regarding strong & free safety, a time before the two positions had a class distinction. DC's now deploy the psitions in a variety of ways. Strong origionally got it's name by a safety almost always lining up on the strong side of the formation covering the T/E exclusively....where the FS was freed-up to help double with the corner when necessary. Now, with so much pre-snap motion, audibles and three/four W/R sets, DC's are finding more creative ways to utilize the two positions.

[joethiesmanfan]

I wouldn't judge our free safety positon by what was done in the past. They left free safeties on islands like they were corners under Blache. I think Reed can help double, but I wouldn't want him one on one with a wide out or an elite TE.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

well you all probably think i'm crazy, but my gut still tells me that we trade haynesworth before the season. maybe we pick up a FS in the deal. or maybe there's a surprise cut in June and we pick up a FS that way. i just dont feel like we'll go into the season with what we have. i also think doughty or horton gets cut.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

I wouldn't judge our free safety positon by what was done in the past. They left free safeties on islands like they were corners under Blache. I think Reed can help double, but I wouldn't want him one on one with a wide out or an elite TE.

They dropped deep, but I wouldn't call that on an island, they were only one on one if the CB let the wr go, but that was not the case most of the time. If the route went that deep usually the CB went w/the wr & the safety was his help.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

well you all probably think i'm crazy, but my gut still tells me that we trade haynesworth before the season. maybe we pick up a FS in the deal. or maybe there's a surprise cut in June and we pick up a FS that way. i just dont feel like we'll go into the season with what we have. i also think doughty or horton gets cut.

I don't think it's crazy at all to think AH gets traded. I don't know about getting a safety. I would hate to see Doughty or Horton cut, but they both bring similar abilities & limitations, might be a luxury we can't keep.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

well you all probably think i'm crazy, but my gut still tells me that we trade haynesworth before the season. maybe we pick up a FS in the deal. or maybe there's a surprise cut in June and we pick up a FS that way. i just dont feel like we'll go into the season with what we have. i also think doughty or horton gets cut.

It'd be easier to pick up Otogwe. Honestly, a Haynesworth trade is wishful thinking and it'd be really stupid for the team to do this at this point. Given this stupid perception that there's a horrible rift and that he's a problem and everything Jason LaCanfora and Mike Florio are reporting, teams are probably willing to sit and low ball the Redskins in any trade offers.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

well you all probably think i'm crazy, but my gut still tells me that we trade haynesworth before the season. maybe we pick up a FS in the deal. or maybe there's a surprise cut in June and we pick up a FS that way. i just dont feel like we'll go into the season with what we have. i also think doughty or horton gets cut.

I'd cut Landry before I'd cut either one of them. They're cheaper and just as good, maybe better.

[MTK]

Anything could happen with a new staff I guess, but Doughty has really turned into a solid player, I don't see him getting cut. He's the kind of hard working overachiever coaches love.

I'm hoping for big things from Moore. It's time for him to step up and contribute.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It'd be easier to pick up Otogwe. Honestly, a Haynesworth trade is wishful thinking and it'd be really stupid for the team to do this at this point. Given this stupid perception that there's a horrible rift and that he's a problem and everything Jason LaCanfora and Mike Florio are reporting, teams are probably willing to sit and low ball the Redskins in any trade offers.

I don't agree w/that. Apparently he wasn't traded because teams wouldn't meet the skins demands. If there is still the desire to trade him & someone meets demands, it will get done & it could be good for us. A training camp injury could spur some offers a la the J. Taylor trade in 08, only we would hopefully be on the better end this time.

given Allen's fiscal discipline to this point, I think he's set the trade bar for AH fairly high realizing that the danny has already spent a lot of $ on him. If we can't get value for him then they'll just try & get their money's worth on the field.

This is the ideal trade: AH for J. Brown & NO pays us a portion of Brown's signing bonus in a new deal w/the skins.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anything could happen with a new staff I guess, but Doughty has really turned into a solid player, I don't see him getting cut. He's the kind of hard working overachiever coaches love.

I'm hoping for big things from Moore. It's time for him to step up and contribute.

agree on both counts. I also think Horton has been pretty solid & both he & Reed contribute on spec. teams.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'd cut Landry before I'd cut either one of them. They're cheaper and just as good, maybe better.

Theyre definitely cheaper, but neither of them even approaches being as talented as Landry.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I don't agree w/that. Apparently he wasn't traded because teams wouldn't meet the skins demands. If there is still the desire to trade him & someone meets demands, it will get done & it could be good for us. A training camp injury could spur some offers a la the J. Taylor trade in 08, only we would hopefully be on the better end this time.

given Allen's fiscal discipline to this point, I think he's set the trade bar for AH fairly high realizing that the danny has already spent a lot of $ on him. If we can't get value for him then they'll just try & get their money's worth on the field.

This is the ideal trade: AH for J. Brown & NO pays us a portion of Brown's signing bonus in a new deal w/the skins.

These demands were not met before the draft, and given Shanahan's "win now" attitude, he's not going to settle for future compensation. Part of the reason why Jason Campbell was trade for peanuts to Oakland, was because teams could have easily waited until he was cut (since there was no way he was going to stay in the team). Trading Haynesworth right now would probably not result in the compensation we want or need, and it would seem like an act of desperation.

In the draft you had teams that needed d-linemen for 4-3 defenses that could have easily trade for AH, and it would have made sense. Tampa Bay could have traded their 2nd rounder for Haynesworth, and picked up Eric Berry with the 3rd overall. Hell, the Lions could have gotten Haynesworth with their 2nd and still get Suh with their first rounder, given them the MOST ridiculous d-line in history. But I believe they didn't because they either: A.) had the sense that Haynesworth was a "problem" for the Redskins and could sit and wait or B.) the team (unlike a lot of ppl here) does not think Haynesworth is a problem and they were just getting feelers on what they would get for him (in case someone gave us an offer we couldn't refuse).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Reed, Horton & Laron IMO are all SS the only FS is Kareem. Horton & Reed don't have the speed to play FS IMO they would really need to know their assignments & trust their teammates in order for them to play FS.

I agree with this...and simply would add....Is Kareem a starter right now in this league?

I dont think so, and by the time the season begins I say we are starting someone else not mentioned. Most likely a cut player.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

These demands were not met before the draft, and given Shanahan's "win now" attitude, he's not going to settle for future compensation. Part of the reason why Jason Campbell was trade for peanuts to Oakland, was because teams could have easily waited until he was cut (since there was no way he was going to stay in the team). Trading Haynesworth right now would probably not result in the compensation we want or need, and it would seem like an act of desperation.

In the draft you had teams that needed d-linemen for 4-3 defenses that could have easily trade for AH, and it would have made sense. Tampa Bay could have traded their 2nd rounder for Haynesworth, and picked up Eric Berry with the 3rd overall. Hell, the Lions could have gotten Haynesworth with their 2nd and still get Suh with their first rounder, given them the MOST ridiculous d-line in history. But I believe they didn't because they either: A.) had the sense that Haynesworth was a "problem" for the Redskins and could sit and wait or B.) the team (unlike a lot of ppl here) does not think Haynesworth is a problem and they were just getting feelers on what they would get for him (in case someone gave us an offer we couldn't refuse).

Which means they would be open to trading him. We're saying the same thing essentially, you just think that it would have to be an "offer we couldn't refuse." Thats relative, so I guess I could agree w/that. If a 1st round pick is offered, I think they would do it.

The most likely trade scenario IMO is if Minn., NO or another 4-3 team w/super bowl caliber roster has a preseason injury to one of their DTs, they might be willing to give up a lot & AH will be happy to play in a 4-3, so his agent would work hard to make the deal happen.