Mel/Todd Mock Draft 3.0

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Jimmy Clausen at #4. Ha!
Mel needs to rethink that one. Clausen is a major reach at #4.
I see Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Okung and Eric Berry as the top 5 in some kind of order. They are cant miss talent although Bradford might take longer to develop and succeed due to his position.

To all who are slamming Clausen, but Bradford would be OK. What makes Bradford so much better? I've put my Clausen argument out there. What in your minds makes Bradford a "can't miss", but Clausen a "major reach"?

And the Emu/douche/got punched in the face/he's gay/I hate ND arguments don't count.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

To all who are slamming Clausen, but Bradford would be OK. What makes Bradford so much better? I've put my Clausen argument out there. What in your minds makes Bradford a "can't miss", but Clausen a "major reach"?

And the Emu/douche/got punched in the face/he's gay/I hate ND arguments don't count.

I sight all of these reasons for Bradford over Clausen, as well as maturity and leadership issues. Also, Mr. Clausen has the honor of being the first Notre Dame quarterback to lose to the Naval Academy in 42 years, he did it twice. I watched plenty of his games over the last three years.
Clausen was rather unimpressive until this year, in fact he was benched several times his first 2 seasons at ND. I will admit that he did have a great improvement this season. That doesn't make me want him, ESPECIALLY at #4.
Ok, you probably want me to quote some stats:an impressive 28-4 td-int ratio senior year, you don't want me to quote the rest. Bradford 36-8 FRESHMAN, 50-8 sophmore.
I'm sorry I just get a feeling about these two, one good, and one, ehh just don't really feel it for him...

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How would you feel if we drafted him?

Not good. I'd like to see us go the route of '81 and draft O line and find some late round gems.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

To all who are slamming Clausen, but Bradford would be OK. What makes Bradford so much better? I've put my Clausen argument out there. What in your minds makes Bradford a "can't miss", but Clausen a "major reach"?

And the Emu/douche/got punched in the face/he's gay/I hate ND arguments don't count.

Well for starters Clausen is an emo douche that got punched in the face because he's gay. Man I hate Notre Dame.

Other then that Bradford is more accurate as well as taller, but to be honest I don't know if there really is THAT much difference. Of course who knows what this front office will do at this point.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

To all who are slamming Clausen, but Bradford would be OK. What makes Bradford so much better? I've put my Clausen argument out there. What in your minds makes Bradford a "can't miss", but Clausen a "major reach"?

And the Emu/douche/got punched in the face/he's gay/I hate ND arguments don't count.

I am not slamming Clausen, I just don't think he is currently worthy of the #4 pick in draft. Clausen is a very good QB who had great individual stats in 2008 and 2009, but his teams did not always do well. So that has hurt him a bit.
I think Clausen never beat a top 5 Nationally ranked team in all his years at south bend.
To be fair to Clausen, his Notre Dame teams were not very good team. But I would have liked to have seen Clausen beat a powerhouse SEC defense. There is no film of that.

Bradford had such a great (red shirt) freshman and sophomore seasons. As we all have heard Bradford most likely would have been the #1 pick if he had come out after his sophomore season. But he stayed and got hurt twice.

Clausen could some day be the best pro of the two. But right now he has not fully demonstrated that on the field against top teams. so that gives Bradford a slight edge at this point.
Clausen is a little on the skinny side. His arms are kind of small for a big time NFL player. It would be good if he spent some more time in the weight room, but that is not a big deal.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

I sight all of these reasons for Bradford over Clausen, as well as maturity and leadership issues. Also, Mr. Clausen has the honor of being the first Notre Dame quarterback to lose to the Naval Academy in 42 years, he did it twice. I watched plenty of his games over the last three years.
Clausen was rather unimpressive until this year, in fact he was benched several times his first 2 seasons at ND. I will admit that he did have a great improvement this season. That doesn't make me want him, ESPECIALLY at #4.
Ok, you probably want me to quote some stats:an impressive 28-4 td-int ratio senior year, you don't want me to quote the rest. Bradford 36-8 FRESHMAN, 50-8 sophmore.
I'm sorry I just get a feeling about these two, one good, and one, ehh just don't really feel it for him...

I think the 2007 Navy loss by Notre Dame was an Evan Sharpley start. I think Clausen was injured for that one.

Not that it would have changed much.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Clausen is a little on the skinny side. His arms are kind of small for a big time NFL player. It would be good if he spent some more time in the weight room, but that is not a big deal.

First of all it was his hands. And second if he was a Notre Dame QB that spent most of his time in the weight room as opposed to the film room he'd be Brady Quinn.

[Luxorreb]

OKUNG! Please!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I am not slamming Clausen, I just don't think he is currently worthy of the #4 pick in draft. Clausen is a very good QB who had great individual stats in 2008 and 2009, but his teams did not always do well. So that has hurt him a bit.
I think Clausen never beat a top 5 Nationally ranked team in all his years at south bend.
To be fair to Clausen, his Notre Dame teams were not very good team. But I would have liked to have seen Clausen beat a powerhouse SEC defense. There is no film of that.

Bradford had such a great (red shirt) freshman and sophomore seasons. As we all have heard Bradford most likely would have been the #1 pick if he had come out after his sophomore season. But he stayed and got hurt twice.

Clausen could some day be the best pro of the two. But right now he has not fully demonstrated that on the field against top teams. so that gives Bradford a slight edge at this point.
Clausen is a little on the skinny side. His arms are kind of small for a big time NFL player. It would be good if he spent some more time in the weight room, but that is not a big deal.

Good points Dwins and Jim, but Dirtbag certainly has the most compelling argument

I like Bradford, I think he'll be a good NFL QB. I think he'll take a year longer than Clausen due to his adjustment from being in a spread and from having superior talent around him. I like his measurables, good Wonderlic, not really worried about his shoulder.

What concerns me about Bradford is he was throwing to wide open receivers a lot, had a ton of time to throw, and had a great D. While none of these are a negative on him, it's hard to gauge how much of his success was truly his performance or was his performance a product of the system and team around him. Also, Stoops' QBs traditionally have put up very good college numbers but not had NFL success.

I think this is a moot point because Bradford will likely be gone at # 1, but if Clausen was gone and Bradford/Okung are at available #4, I take Okung. If I can trade down from #4 and get Bradford in the 11-16 range I wouldn't have a problem with that.

On a side note, SkinnyTee has the Skins in our Mock Draft, so I don't think you guys need to worry about Clausen getting picked at #4 there.

[skinsfan69]

Why do people downgrade Clausen cause his teams didn't win? I think that's a terrible way to judge the guy. Did Clausen play defense for ND?????? He's was a damn good college QB. I'm just not sure I'd draft him at #4.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why do people downgrade Clausen cause his teams didn't win? I think that's a terrible way to judge the guy. Did Clausen play defense for ND?????? He's was a damn good college QB. I'm just not sure I'd draft him at #4.

Good points

My mock draft as of today has us taking Trent Williams. It's a bit of a reach I know.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Neither Clausen or Bradford is worth the #4 pick in my opinion. Then again, neither is Trent Williams, atleast at this point. Opinions change so much as the draft approaches and players have thier pro days. maybe mine will too. Right now, I'd be thrilled if:

1. Campbell and Brennan both impress Shanahan in camp prior to the draft. Campbell solidifies his status as the starter.
2. The Rams take Bradford
3. We're on the clock and one of Okung, Suh, or McCoy is available. Our phone would be ringing off the hook with trade offers.
4. We trade down, get three picks in rounds 1-4 and use our first four picks on two offensive linemen a nose tackle, and an explosive running back (in roughly that order).

[Lotus]

^ I am not Clausen's greatest fan but I would argue that he provides more value at #4 than Trent Williams. That said, I'm not sure that I would draft either one at #4. Should Bradford or Okung be gone, I'd be inclined to take Berry or Suh/McCoy to maximize pick value.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^ I am not Clausen's greatest fan but I would argue that he provides more value at #4 than Trent Williams. That said, I'm not sure that I would draft either one at #4. Should Bradford or Okung be gone, I'd be inclined to take Berry or Suh/McCoy to maximize pick value.

Berry wouuld probably fill more of an immediate need than Suh or McCoy, but i'd be happier with Suh or McCoy.... Phillip Daniels can't play forever. Haynesworth will only be here 3 more years. If we don't get another pass-rusher this year, we'll have to think about it soon enough. McCoy/Maake/Haynesworth on the line with Orakpo blitzing would make for one scary pass-rush.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Berry wouuld probably fill more of an immediate need than Suh or McCoy, but i'd be happier with Suh or McCoy.... McCoy/Maake/Haynesworth on the line with Orakpo blitzing would make for one scary pass-rush.

I'd rather have Berry that those guys. We have no one at FS right now.