Browns Reportedly Fire GM George Kokinis

tryfuhl · 11-03-2009, 09:45 AM

Apparently Mangini and Kokinis weren't getting along so well.

Paintrain · 11-03-2009, 10:50 AM

I never thought I'd be envious of the Browns but they've already fired their GM, are seeking a big time 'Parcells type' and some disgruntled fans are getting an audience with the owner. Must be nice to have a semblance of a plan and an owner that's willing to admit he doesn't know everything about everything while demonstrating a firm grasp of nothing.

SouperMeister · 11-03-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Whether you like Marty or not, you cant deny what he did with the teams he coached.
Id take him back in a heartbeat.

Marty recovering from an 0-5 start, and finishing 8-8 with Tony Banks as our starting QB was the best Redskins coaching job of the Snyder era, including anything we saw from Gibbs 2.0.

MTK · 11-03-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Marty recovering from an 0-5 start, and finishing 8-8 with Tony Banks as our starting QB was the best Redskins coaching job of the Snyder era, including anything we saw from Gibbs 2.0.

I'll still take the ST inspired playoff run. Gibbs did a great job at holding the team together.

firstdown · 11-03-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Browns owe a lot of people a lot of money that are no longer with the organization. I think it's like 20+ million for Savage, Crennel, and now Kokinis

When a team lets go of someone like this do they have to pay off the contract now or can they pay them as the contract says?

Paintrain · 11-03-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

When a team lets go of someone like this do they have to pay off the contract now or can they pay them as the contract says?

Typically the way the contracts are written they have to pay it as written (over the span of years) unless the coach is hired somewhere else in a similar capacity. For example, Mangini isn't still being paid by the Jets because he's the Browns coach. Shanahan is still being paid by the Broncos because he's not employed anywhere. In the case of Gruden, I'm not sure if he's still being paid by the Bucs since he's working but not for an NFL team. I'd think he still is.

In either case, it doesn't make good financial sense for a team to lump sum pay a coach when he's let go.

MTK · 11-03-2009, 08:22 PM

Why are fans meeting with the owner? Talk about a cluster F

Browns fans say owner has dogged determination - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Lotus · 11-03-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Marty recovering from an 0-5 start, and finishing 8-8 with Tony Banks as our starting QB was the best Redskins coaching job of the Snyder era, including anything we saw from Gibbs 2.0.

What are you saying? Tony Banks was the greatest quarterback in Redskins history.

GTripp0012 · 11-03-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

What are you saying? Tony Banks was the greatest quarterback in Redskins history.

Why are you doggin' Jeff George like that?

mlmdub130 · 11-03-2009, 09:16 PM

not only did marty come back to finish 8-8 he also fired vinny, and then after finishing the season 8-3 was promptly fired himself and then vinny was rehired, thats what really scares me and makes me think vinny may actually survive this season and be around for a long time, and thats a scray thought

Hog1 · 11-03-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why are fans meeting with the owner? Talk about a cluster F

Browns fans say owner has dogged determination - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

If you have something f...d up and you want it REALLY F....d up, form a commitee

SmootSmack · 11-03-2009, 11:08 PM

I'm calling it right now Brian Billick will be our next coach/evp and he's bringing in George Kokinis to be his Tom Heckert.

Seriously though, that would be the ideal role for Kokinis...to be a General Manager but much in the same way Heckert is for Andy Reid. Where Heckert does the due diligence and Reid makes the final call

12thMan · 11-04-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm calling it right now Brian Billick will be our next coach/evp and he's bringing in George Kokinis to be his Tom Heckert.

Seriously though, that would be the ideal role for Kokinis...to be a General Manager but much in the same way Heckert is for Andy Reid. Where Heckert does the due diligence and Reid makes the final call

I wouldn't mind that combo one bit.

12thMan · 11-07-2009, 05:25 PM

Just heard Peter King say that the Browns might bring in Ernie Arcosi or Ron Wolf to advise Mangini through the end of the season, and possibly fire Mangenius at the end.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ron Wolf come here full-time.

JoeRedskin · 11-07-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm calling it right now Brian Billick will be our next coach/evp and he's bringing in George Kokinis to be his Tom Heckert.

Seriously though, that would be the ideal role for Kokinis...to be a General Manager but much in the same way Heckert is for Andy Reid. Where Heckert does the due diligence and Reid makes the final call

Is this a smootsmackian revelation - or are you just BS'ing.

11-03-2009, 09:45 AM	#31
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Browns Reportedly Fire GM George Kokinis Apparently Mangini and Kokinis weren't getting along so well.

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Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Browns Reportedly Fire GM George Kokinis I never thought I'd be envious of the Browns but they've already fired their GM, are seeking a big time 'Parcells type' and some disgruntled fans are getting an audience with the owner. Must be nice to have a semblance of a plan and an owner that's willing to admit he doesn't know everything about everything while demonstrating a firm grasp of nothing. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

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11-03-2009, 09:16 PM	#40
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 42 Posts: 3,238	Re: Browns Reportedly Fire GM George Kokinis not only did marty come back to finish 8-8 he also fired vinny, and then after finishing the season 8-3 was promptly fired himself and then vinny was rehired, thats what really scares me and makes me think vinny may actually survive this season and be around for a long time, and thats a scray thought __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

11-03-2009, 11:08 PM	#42
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Browns Reportedly Fire GM George Kokinis I'm calling it right now Brian Billick will be our next coach/evp and he's bringing in George Kokinis to be his Tom Heckert. Seriously though, that would be the ideal role for Kokinis...to be a General Manager but much in the same way Heckert is for Andy Reid. Where Heckert does the due diligence and Reid makes the final call __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-07-2009, 05:25 PM	#44
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Browns Reportedly Fire GM George Kokinis Just heard Peter King say that the Browns might bring in Ernie Arcosi or Ron Wolf to advise Mangini through the end of the season, and possibly fire Mangenius at the end. I wouldn't mind seeing Ron Wolf come here full-time.

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