Short memories from angry fans

CRT3 · 10-15-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 4TH RING

I wasn't trying to sugarcoat anything. I mean our record is what it is (1-4) 3 games behind the eagles (cellar of our division) and we're only 5 games into the season. We have a offense that can't move the ball. Our special teams continues to be outplayed. A lot of penalties, bad replay challenges, poor clock management, and turnovers that at this point in the season we're not able to overcome.

My point was that Gibbs is going to have problems adjusting. Twelve years away from the game has'nt helped him, thats obvious. But you can't argue his record, it speaks for itself as cpayne 5 has stated. And IMO you have to give a coach at least 2 seasons to turn a franchise around.

Last game we had 2 penalties and 1 turnover on a pass that made it to the 5. Our clock management and challenges for the Ravens game were excellent. Our offense can move the ball. Our special teams sucks. We lost the game cause we got beat. The defense could not stop the rush when it counted in the end of the game. We knew they were going to run but could not stop them. Overall we are competing and playing alot better then last year. HAve faith, the skins will turn it around.

CRT3 · 10-15-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Defensewins:
Much of the frustration on this board comes from the knee-jerk reaction of too many fans to take any trade or draft or signing by the Redskins and look at it so unrealistically that expectations cannot possibly be met. Yes, I know, that's what fans always do. But if you temper the reactions just a tad, you don't have to go into a depression when expecations are not met.

Look at the players on this team as if you were the GM of another team that thinks it is only a player or two away from a conference chammpionship or a Super Bowl championship. What Redskins' players would you be frothing at the mouth to add to your team? Don't hyperventilate here:

Receivers: None. Coles is far and away the best of this lot and he is not likely to be the guy to put a team in that state "over the top".

Tight Ends: None. Maybe - I said MAYBE - some day Cooley fits that description but not now. There are 16 NFC teams. As of this weekend he might be the 10th best TE.

Offensive Linemen: Jansen. That's it; that's the list. And Jansen isn't playing this year.

QB: None. No discussion needed here.

RBs: Portis. End of message. Anyone who begins to type out a response that has the word "Rock" or "Sultan" in it is dreaming.

Defensive linemen: None. Do not tell me how much better someone on this line is when compared to the Easter Island Statues who played there last year. None of these guys are difference-makers. None.

LBs: Arrington and Washington. If you already had three good linebackers on your team and thought you needed a 4th as a back-up to get over the hump, you could put Pierce on this list too. But Pierce is not the guy to carry a team to the Super Bowl.

DBs: Smoot (maybe) and Springs (maybe). Both guys play hard and both can have good games but I'm not sure they are guys other teams would be frothing at the mouth to sign.

Safeties: None. Not even Ade Jimoh. Sean Taylor has potential but sadly for Redskin fans this year, "potential" means he hasn't achieved anything yet.

So, you have a 53 man roster and on that squad you have about 4 guys that other teams ought to go after with gusto given the chance and another 4 or 5 who would not be bad guys to add to an already good team. That's why the team in 1-4.

And the reason it hurts a lot of folks so much is that they drank the Kool-Aid when:

Ramsey had a good game last year and then they anointed him as the 2nd coming of John Unitas and

Chris Samuels went to the Pro-Bowl even though he wasn't really that outstanding and

Sean Taylor intercepted two passes in an exhibition game from a QB and to a receiver who may never take a snap in a real game and

Bruce Smith/Deion/Jeff George brought their gaudy stats from long ago to town.

If I were a GM on another team I would go after
Ramsey, Coles, Gardner, McCants, Cooley, Samuels, Thomas, Dockery, Hall, Arrington, Washington, Pierce, Spriggs, Smoot, Taylor, and most importanly Coach Gibbs. Sorry Dude you are wrong

That Guy · 10-16-2004, 05:37 AM

i don't think anyone would be going after dockery... not as a #1... same for gardner and mccants...

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 10-17-2004, 04:45 PM

i would offer the raiders a late 4th or 5th round pick for jerry rice.the recievers on the team now could learn a whole lot from that man.he could also add a new wrinkle to 3rd and 5.

monk81 · 10-17-2004, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

No doubt DW, I just think the anomosity comes from our utter incompentensy of our offense, and where the blame lies, sorry for stating the obvious.

Yes, we lost some very close games, in some games the team GAVE THE GAMES AWAY.......but when you see the way this Redskin offense is playing it's painful to watch...........and that's what makes us mad...

But in Joe Gibbs I trust....I know the loss of Jansen was HUGE but when I see the same stupid play calling in the red zone it makes you want to .........
:frusty:

That Guy · 10-17-2004, 05:28 PM

rice would hate it here, he's pissed off cause he's not getting the ball... here he'd be the slowest WR on the team... if he wanted to teach, he has plenty of guys to mentor in oakland, that's just not his deal.

no thanks.

SKINSnCANES · 10-17-2004, 05:38 PM

I think Gibbs will make a lot of changes during the bye week. its been a while since hes done it but your cant argue that we are most discipled

SmootSmack · 10-17-2004, 05:40 PM

When did bye weeks start? Gibbs never had that his first time around did he?

SKINSnCANES · 10-17-2004, 05:46 PM

i thought they have had it for a long time, I assume they had bye weeks before

MTK · 10-17-2004, 07:53 PM

Yeah I'm pretty sure they had byes back during Gibbs' first run, I even remember one year where there was 2 byes per team

sportscurmudgeon · 10-19-2004, 11:54 AM

CRT3:

Good thing you post here under a screen name because you just disqualified yourself from any NFL GM job for all time.

The premise was you were going to trade for a Redskin player to put your team over the top to win a conference champinship or the Super Bowl. You thought you were one player short.

So you toss in the names McCants and Dockery? McCants is aptly named because he "mccants" even make the active roster this year; Dockery is "marginally proficient" when you describe him politely. Even his agent would not say he was "the guy you need to make it to the super Bowl next year".

And in case you haven't noticed, teams rarely trade for coaches. sometimes, they sign one away fro a team and have to give away draft choice compensation, but it isn't a trade.

MTK · 10-19-2004, 12:50 PM

SC how was Vegas?

Defensewins · 10-19-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

CRT3:

Good thing you post here under a screen name because you just disqualified yourself from any NFL GM job for all time.....So you toss in the names McCants and Dockery? McCants is aptly named because he "mccants" even make the active roster this year; Dockery is "marginally proficient" when you describe him politely. Even his agent would not say he was "the guy you need to make it to the super Bowl next year".

I have to agree, Dockery is not very good. He is slow and makes many mental mistakes. But what is most dissapointing about Dockery is he soft.
For a man as big and strong as he is, he does not posses the killer instinct to level someone. In the years he has been here can you remember a single time when he has been shown on replay making pancake block? No.
Plus Ramsey and Cooley have not proven to be consistently good. They flash in spurts. They are not going to go to another team and make a diffrence enough to take another team to the playoffs or superbowl. They are not that good just yet.

SUNRA · 10-19-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINFAN63

i would offer the raiders a late 4th or 5th round pick for jerry rice.the recievers on the team now could learn a whole lot from that man.he could also add a new wrinkle to 3rd and 5.

An old receiver is certainly not what this team needs. We need a kick off returner, and an offensive lineman.

MTK · 10-19-2004, 03:40 PM

Bugel seems to really like Dockery, call me crazy but I'll defer to Boss Hog on personnel decisions involving the line.

He's a 2nd year guy who wasn't even supposed to see the field much in his rookie year. I'd say he's progressing pretty well, he sure looks to be in better shape this year compared to last. Let's let the guy develop a bit more before we draft his replacement.

10-17-2004, 04:45 PM	#34
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 61 Posts: 289	i would offer the raiders a late 4th or 5th round pick for jerry rice.the recievers on the team now could learn a whole lot from that man.he could also add a new wrinkle to 3rd and 5. __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

10-17-2004, 05:38 PM	#37
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	I think Gibbs will make a lot of changes during the bye week. its been a while since hes done it but your cant argue that we are most discipled __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

10-17-2004, 05:40 PM	#38
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	When did bye weeks start? Gibbs never had that his first time around did he? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-17-2004, 05:46 PM	#39
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	i thought they have had it for a long time, I assume they had bye weeks before __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

10-19-2004, 11:54 AM	#41
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	CRT3: Good thing you post here under a screen name because you just disqualified yourself from any NFL GM job for all time. The premise was you were going to trade for a Redskin player to put your team over the top to win a conference champinship or the Super Bowl. You thought you were one player short. So you toss in the names McCants and Dockery? McCants is aptly named because he "mccants" even make the active roster this year; Dockery is "marginally proficient" when you describe him politely. Even his agent would not say he was "the guy you need to make it to the super Bowl next year". And in case you haven't noticed, teams rarely trade for coaches. sometimes, they sign one away fro a team and have to give away draft choice compensation, but it isn't a trade. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

10-16-2004, 05:37 AM	#33
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i don't think anyone would be going after dockery... not as a #1... same for gardner and mccants...

10-17-2004, 05:28 PM	#36
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	rice would hate it here, he's pissed off cause he's not getting the ball... here he'd be the slowest WR on the team... if he wanted to teach, he has plenty of guys to mentor in oakland, that's just not his deal. no thanks.

10-17-2004, 07:53 PM	#40
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,544	Yeah I'm pretty sure they had byes back during Gibbs' first run, I even remember one year where there was 2 byes per team

10-19-2004, 12:50 PM	#42
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,544	SC how was Vegas?

10-19-2004, 03:40 PM	#45
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,544	Bugel seems to really like Dockery, call me crazy but I'll defer to Boss Hog on personnel decisions involving the line. He's a 2nd year guy who wasn't even supposed to see the field much in his rookie year. I'd say he's progressing pretty well, he sure looks to be in better shape this year compared to last. Let's let the guy develop a bit more before we draft his replacement.

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