Should Ramsey Start Against Chicago?

[wolfeskins]

i dont think the season is done but i do feel its time to make a change at qb

[d151b]

give me ramsey, hassleback, tupa, the waterboy.... anybody BUT brunell. this guy has ripped my heart out one too many times. HE SUCKS!

[illdefined]

if we're gonna spend the rest of this season hammering out the offense regardless of winning, shouldn't it be with the qb that will be playing next season?

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by illdefined

if we're gonna spend the rest of this season hammering out the offense regardless of winning, shouldn't it be with the qb that will be playing next season?

you're absolutely right illdefined..

[skinsguy]

I understand that the QB is the "pilot" of the offense but geez....we're not getting it done on the ground either.

[SUNRA]

You know I've read a lot of threads about Brunells performance instead of looking at the consistent disgusting performance of Portis. The excuses he has made and his failures has seriously damaged the offense because it has made our offense one dimesional. No running game, no passing game. We need a change at the running back position until Portis understands what he's suppose to be doing.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

You know I've read a lot of threads about Brunells performance instead of looking at the consistent disgusting performance of Portis. The excuses he has made and his failures has seriously damaged the offense because it has made our offense one dimesional. No running game, no passing game. We need a change at the running back position until Portis understands what he's suppose to be doing.

I knew this was comming. Sorry, but this last loss is all Brunell. And when the fumble for a TD occurred, that was Betts blocking, you cannot blame that one on Portis. Guess you are going to blame Portis, for when he got hit behind the line when Ed Reed came in on the safety blitz too?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

I knew this was comming. Sorry, but this last loss is all Brunell. And when the fumble for a TD occurred, that was Betts blocking, you cannot blame that one on Portis. Guess you are going to blame Portis, for when he got hit behind the line when Ed Reed came in on the safety blitz too?

If Portis worked for you at 250,000 a game what would your response be to him? No. I'm blaming him for his poor execution in reading the defense and hitting the hole hard. His runs are no way near what he did in Denver. Even the sorry ass Giants know that Tiki is carrying there team on offense. Three fumbles have led to 2 TDS from Portis. Brunell has thrown 1 INT this year and the forced fumbles were clearly on the raggedy line.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Brunell has thrown 1 INT this year and the forced fumbles were clearly on the raggedy line.

Check that he's thrown 2 INTs (1 for a TD).

Didn't Ramsey play behind a offensive line and backs that were letting guys crunch him on just about every down last year? Besides, Brunell is the mobile guy Ramsey isn't. So shouldn't Brunell be able to move around AND throw? I've seen him move around, I just haven't seen the throwing on the run part yet. If you can't throw on the run, I'm not sure how invaluable his mobility is.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Check that he's thrown 2 INTs (1 for a TD).

Didn't Ramsey play behind a offensive line and backs that were letting guys crunch him on just about every down last year? Besides, Brunell is the mobile guy Ramsey isn't. So shouldn't Brunell be able to move around AND throw? I've seen him move around, I just haven't seen the throwing on the run part yet. If you can't throw on the run, I'm not sure how invaluable his mobility is.

2 INTS in 5 games by Brunell and Ramsey 3 INTS in one game? Yeah you do the math. We still lose. Bring in Ramsey so all of you can then call for Hasselbeck, and Then Theismann to come back.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

You know I've read a lot of threads about Brunells performance instead of looking at the consistent disgusting performance of Portis. The excuses he has made and his failures has seriously damaged the offense because it has made our offense one dimesional. No running game, no passing game. We need a change at the running back position until Portis understands what he's suppose to be doing.

couldn't disagree with you more 'Ra. Portis has been thrown into a meat grinder. literally. new system, new oline, new philosophy.

i dont know if you were watching tonight, but what little offense we had was mostly Portis. ground AND air. ALSO. you probably didn't notice we used the I FORMATION this game! Cooley lined up as a fullback to lead block, as is best for what Portis does. now Cooley is a catching TE, and is LEARNING to block, period. much less from the fullback position. even LESS against the Ravens defense! so, we didn't get many yards. but he DID take the initial hit off Portis, and we got NO FUMBLES from the previous week's one back system.

i dont know how anyone can doubt Portis's ability OR heart. in pass protection, he throws himself into EVERY block (and it WORKS). as a short yardage guy, he throws his tiny body into non-existent holes (which obviously doesnt). one thing Portis can't do is gain 50lbs! nor lead block for himself or make holes for himself!!

the offense is broken everywhere, Portis's numbers are a symptom, NOT a cause. now lets get back on topic..

[Gmanc711]

Heres the agrument I have for not getting it done on the ground. We have no blocking, plain and simple. When theres no blocking on the ground, there are no holes and no yardage. Now while some things are still the fault of Portis/Playcalling, I just couldnt see a play where I could be like... WOW Portis sure messed up on that play.
On the other hand, I just found myself getting pissed at Brunell about 30 times tonight. Now while I'm sure half of those werent his fault, he did f**k up alot. Even though the protection sucked, he still had the chances to plant his feet and get rid of the football... but he didnt. I saw so many opprotunities for Brunell, and just didnt see the same for Portis.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Heres the agrument I have for not getting it done on the ground. We have no blocking, plain and simple. When theres no blocking on the ground, there are no holes and no yardage. Now while some things are still the fault of Portis/Playcalling, I just couldnt see a play where I could be like... WOW Portis sure messed up on that play.
On the other hand, I just found myself getting pissed at Brunell about 30 times tonight. Now while I'm sure half of those werent his fault, he did f**k up alot. Even though the protection sucked, he still had the chances to plant his feet and get rid of the football... but he didnt. I saw so many opprotunities for Brunell, and just didnt see the same for Portis.

My thing is why aren't the receivers getting open in four seconds? I know the offensive line is play hurt but Brunell is having to wait a long time to get rid of the ball. It just doesn't make since that every receiver seems to be double covered on almost every completion. Did you notice that?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Heres the agrument I have for not getting it done on the ground. We have no blocking, plain and simple. When theres no blocking on the ground, there are no holes and no yardage. Now while some things are still the fault of Portis/Playcalling, I just couldnt see a play where I could be like... WOW Portis sure messed up on that play.
On the other hand, I just found myself getting pissed at Brunell about 30 times tonight. Now while I'm sure half of those werent his fault, he did f**k up alot. Even though the protection sucked, he still had the chances to plant his feet and get rid of the football... but he didnt. I saw so many opprotunities for Brunell, and just didnt see the same for Portis.

My thoughts exactly.

Everyone wants to blame Portis or Brunell, but think about it this way, they're both struggling in fact the entire offense is struggling. Could it be it all starts up front? Could be.

[SUNRA]

Patrick Ramsey will not start next week or the week after unless Brunell is injured. I think right now this team has to look closely at the playcalling in situations that are hurry up offenses. Under pressure our offense has crumbled and this has been consistent for the past four weeks.