Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers

redsk1 · 09-02-2009, 03:17 PM

I've been to RFK and Fed Ex.

We've talked about the problem w/ the ticket brokers since the Steeler game, although the post did magnify the problem of it which included some Skins salesmen.

Maybe i'm a little older and a little more frugal now, but I just think the expense and time of going to a game is too much for me. I used to go to one game a year now I'd like to but don't always. I typically have to buy from a broker if i can't get it by other means.

At Fed Ex, the best time for me is tailgating. I'd love to go to tailgate, bring a HD w/ satellite, sit in the parking lot and watch the game. Once it ends, i'm out, and can be at home in 2 hrs or so.

If I go, it's $300+ (if my wife doesn't go) and i don't get home til 830 or 9pm for a 1pm game. That's a 13 hour trip.

RFK was more of an experience. Almost all skins fans. Cheaper. Different time. More of a "skins family" type feel that you don't always get at FE.

firstdown · 09-02-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I see this argument and my question is this: Are you sure they're trying to get you to buy general admission tickets? Not Club Tickets. There's a difference. Club tickets aren't sold as season tickets.

I have received both but I did not even count the club ticket stuff I received. It has gone someting like this over the 4 or so things I received.

1st- Get season tics in the same section as your past tics.
2nd- Good news you prior seats are open so rush today to get them back.
3rd- Combo of 1st and 2nd letter.
4th- We now have tickets in the same section but lower down and closer
to the action.

I posted about this and others here who had let go of their season tickets are getting some of the same mail. I also forgot about the one that came to my home (others came to office which was address I used when I had season tics) that said I finally was up on the list and could call to claim my season tickets. I think that came from something I filled out before I got my season tickets about 5 years ago.

skinsfan69 · 09-02-2009, 03:44 PM

Who cares? If the fans aren't buying them then they can sell them to whom ever they want. This is what happens when you have a 90,000 + seat stadium. At RFK this would never have happened. I'd rather be stabbed in the eyeballs then go over to Fed Ex Field.

skinsfan69 · 09-02-2009, 03:45 PM

[quote=redsk1;583221]I've been to RFK and Fed Ex.

We've talked about the problem w/ the ticket brokers since the Steeler game, although the post did magnify the problem of it which included some Skins salesmen.

Maybe i'm a little older and a little more frugal now, but I just think the expense and time of going to a game is too much for me. I used to go to one game a year now I'd like to but don't always. I typically have to buy from a broker if i can't get it by other means.

At Fed Ex, the best time for me is tailgating. I'd love to go to tailgate, bring a HD w/ satellite, sit in the parking lot and watch the game. Once it ends, i'm out, and can be at home in 2 hrs or so.

If I go, it's $300+ (if my wife doesn't go) and i don't get home til 830 or 9pm for a 1pm game. That's a 13 hour trip.

RFK was more of an experience. Almost all skins fans. Cheaper. Different time. More of a "skins family" type feel that you don't always get at FE.[/quote]

Exactly

sandtrapjack · 09-02-2009, 04:08 PM

Here's a hypthetical question, that really happens.

What about those Season Ticket holders, that sell off a portion of thier season tickets in order to finance the purchase of the following years season tickets?

Tons of people will buy season tickets, go to 4 or 5 games, and sell the remaining tickets at a marked up price and use the profit to pay for next years seeason tickets.

How do we classify those fans? They literally pay for season tickets for one year, and then all subsequent years are paid for with "house money".

JPPT1974 · 09-02-2009, 04:12 PM

Really the scalpers in return will sell them at outrageous prices I am afraid!

FRPLG · 09-02-2009, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Here's a hypthetical question, that really happens.

What about those Season Ticket holders, that sell off a portion of thier season tickets in order to finance the purchase of the following years season tickets?

Tons of people will buy season tickets, go to 4 or 5 games, and sell the remaining tickets at a marked up price and use the profit to pay for next years seeason tickets.

How do we classify those fans? They literally pay for season tickets for one year, and then all subsequent years are paid for with "house money".

Ugh...not so much. Unless you have some of the coveted $99 seats then there's zero chance you're selling the other tickets for enough to pay for next season's tickets. They simply don't fetch all that much. You can get maybe face for the upper bowls in decent games, possibly a little more than face for the really popular games and less than face for about half of the games total. If you break even on the ones you've sold you have performed a minor capitalistic miracle.

For the more expensive tickets you're lucky to get face at all for any games. Just because Stub Hub has tickets listed for $200-$300 doesn't mean they sell.

WaldSkins · 09-02-2009, 04:18 PM

Speaking about tickets: I was offered season tickets for this year in section 221 for $1400. Does anyone know if this is a good deal or not?

FRPLG · 09-02-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Speaking about tickets: I was offered season tickets for this year in section 221 for $1400. Does anyone know if this is a good deal or not?

A piece? No. Or at least I highly doubt it. 221 shouldn't be more than $79 or $99 I think. So face on those would be 790-990. Might be wrong though

WaldSkins · 09-02-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRPLG

A piece? No. Or at least I highly doubt it. 221 shouldn't be more than $79 or $99 I don't think. So face on those would be 790-990. Might be wrong though

For the season and with two seats. I always sit in the lower level when i go and really do not know much about the club level. Im just fishing for feedback before i shell out $1400 for seats.

FRPLG · 09-02-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

For the season and with two seats. I always sit in the lower level when i go and really do not know much about the club level. Im just fishing for feedback before i shell out $1400 for seats.

221 is good section..right on the 50 it looks like. Not sure what those run but 1400 seems pretty good for two seats. Check to make sure they aren't obstructed.

WaldSkins · 09-02-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRPLG

221 is good section..right on the 50 it looks like. Not sure what those run but 1400 seems pretty good for two seats. Check to make sure they aren't obstructed.

Too me it seems like you get more blue collar football fans in the lower level then you would in the club seating. I'll probaly buy them if i can't find anything in the lowers. Thanks for the help.

Mc2guy · 09-02-2009, 04:53 PM

The Skins should take a lesson from the Cubs, another storied organization plauged with recent mediocrity, yet with a loyal and affluent fan base. The cubs sell all or most of their seat for certain non-season ticket sections, through a website, but it is open access.

Anyone can get online, wait in a lottery, and if you get picked you can buy tickets for any game/any section available, up to a certain limit on the number of tickets. With this approach, the brokers can bid, but are limited on the number of tickets, and true fans know they can get in the online lottery and have a great shot at getting a couple of seats to a game.

The team wins because they actually sell more tickets this way than forcing bundled tickets on people. The Redskins approach is similar to what Enron was doing in the energy sector, they are hiding the true demand by creating an opaque market. The fact they tell you that there is a huge waiting list is just a way to artificially bolster demand in order to coerce folks into buying bundled tickets.

What is interesting is that I think the strategy is actually counter productive. There are a ton of folks out there who would gladly pay the team to see a game who stay home due to the difficulty in procuring single game tickets. Its money left on the table that they could be getting. Instead they have to sell to brokers who really don't want all the tickets they have to buy and end up offloading many at less than face value, or not at all. Notice that for most home games there are many many seats unoccupied, yet the team claims a sellout?!?!? Those are tickets that got sold to a broker but not to a fan...if a fan's butt ain't in the seat, it isn't a sell out.

diehard · 09-02-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

between EBAY and STUBHUB .. isn't everything scalped these days

My thoughts, exactly.

firstdown · 09-02-2009, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

The Skins should take a lesson from the Cubs, another storied organization plauged with recent mediocrity, yet with a loyal and affluent fan base. The cubs sell all or most of their seat for certain non-season ticket sections, through a website, but it is open access.

Anyone can get online, wait in a lottery, and if you get picked you can buy tickets for any game/any section available, up to a certain limit on the number of tickets. With this approach, the brokers can bid, but are limited on the number of tickets, and true fans know they can get in the online lottery and have a great shot at getting a couple of seats to a game.

The team wins because they actually sell more tickets this way than forcing bundled tickets on people. The Redskins approach is similar to what Enron was doing in the energy sector, they are hiding the true demand by creating an opaque market. The fact they tell you that there is a huge waiting list is just a way to artificially bolster demand in order to coerce folks into buying bundled tickets.

What is interesting is that I think the strategy is actually counter productive. There are a ton of folks out there who would gladly pay the team to see a game who stay home due to the difficulty in procuring single game tickets. Its money left on the table that they could be getting. Instead they have to sell to brokers who really don't want all the tickets they have to buy and end up offloading many at less than face value, or not at all. Notice that for most home games there are many many seats unoccupied, yet the team claims a sellout?!?!? Those are tickets that got sold to a broker but not to a fan...if a fan's butt ain't in the seat, it isn't a sell out.

Well if the demand is so dam high for single game tickets why could I not sell the tickets to games I did not want to go to for my cost? The demand is not what people say it is and I think its because they have been just 50/50 for so long. Heck I had to sell a couple for about half what I paid and thats one of the reason I gave them up because I could not sell my extra tickets. I know this was true for a bunch of people because we have discussed it here several times. My seats were in the upper deck about 10 rows up on the 45 yard lines and I thought they where great seats. So its not like I was stuck in bad seating.

09-02-2009, 03:17 PM	#31
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers I've been to RFK and Fed Ex. We've talked about the problem w/ the ticket brokers since the Steeler game, although the post did magnify the problem of it which included some Skins salesmen. Maybe i'm a little older and a little more frugal now, but I just think the expense and time of going to a game is too much for me. I used to go to one game a year now I'd like to but don't always. I typically have to buy from a broker if i can't get it by other means. At Fed Ex, the best time for me is tailgating. I'd love to go to tailgate, bring a HD w/ satellite, sit in the parking lot and watch the game. Once it ends, i'm out, and can be at home in 2 hrs or so. If I go, it's $300+ (if my wife doesn't go) and i don't get home til 830 or 9pm for a 1pm game. That's a 13 hour trip. RFK was more of an experience. Almost all skins fans. Cheaper. Different time. More of a "skins family" type feel that you don't always get at FE.

09-02-2009, 03:44 PM	#33
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,378	Re: Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers Who cares? If the fans aren't buying them then they can sell them to whom ever they want. This is what happens when you have a 90,000 + seat stadium. At RFK this would never have happened. I'd rather be stabbed in the eyeballs then go over to Fed Ex Field.

09-02-2009, 03:45 PM	#34
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,378	Re: Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers [quote=redsk1;583221]I've been to RFK and Fed Ex. We've talked about the problem w/ the ticket brokers since the Steeler game, although the post did magnify the problem of it which included some Skins salesmen. Maybe i'm a little older and a little more frugal now, but I just think the expense and time of going to a game is too much for me. I used to go to one game a year now I'd like to but don't always. I typically have to buy from a broker if i can't get it by other means. At Fed Ex, the best time for me is tailgating. I'd love to go to tailgate, bring a HD w/ satellite, sit in the parking lot and watch the game. Once it ends, i'm out, and can be at home in 2 hrs or so. If I go, it's $300+ (if my wife doesn't go) and i don't get home til 830 or 9pm for a 1pm game. That's a 13 hour trip. RFK was more of an experience. Almost all skins fans. Cheaper. Different time. More of a "skins family" type feel that you don't always get at FE.[/quote] Exactly

09-02-2009, 04:08 PM	#35
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers Here's a hypthetical question, that really happens. What about those Season Ticket holders, that sell off a portion of thier season tickets in order to finance the purchase of the following years season tickets? Tons of people will buy season tickets, go to 4 or 5 games, and sell the remaining tickets at a marked up price and use the profit to pay for next years seeason tickets. How do we classify those fans? They literally pay for season tickets for one year, and then all subsequent years are paid for with "house money".

09-02-2009, 04:12 PM	#36
JPPT1974 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 479	Re: Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers Really the scalpers in return will sell them at outrageous prices I am afraid! __________________ *April Easter and Showers!*

09-02-2009, 04:18 PM	#38
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 41 Posts: 2,726	Re: Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers Speaking about tickets: I was offered season tickets for this year in section 221 for $1400. Does anyone know if this is a good deal or not? __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

09-02-2009, 04:53 PM	#43
Mc2guy Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Burke, VA Age: 48 Posts: 287	Re: Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers The Skins should take a lesson from the Cubs, another storied organization plauged with recent mediocrity, yet with a loyal and affluent fan base. The cubs sell all or most of their seat for certain non-season ticket sections, through a website, but it is open access. Anyone can get online, wait in a lottery, and if you get picked you can buy tickets for any game/any section available, up to a certain limit on the number of tickets. With this approach, the brokers can bid, but are limited on the number of tickets, and true fans know they can get in the online lottery and have a great shot at getting a couple of seats to a game. The team wins because they actually sell more tickets this way than forcing bundled tickets on people. The Redskins approach is similar to what Enron was doing in the energy sector, they are hiding the true demand by creating an opaque market. The fact they tell you that there is a huge waiting list is just a way to artificially bolster demand in order to coerce folks into buying bundled tickets. What is interesting is that I think the strategy is actually counter productive. There are a ton of folks out there who would gladly pay the team to see a game who stay home due to the difficulty in procuring single game tickets. Its money left on the table that they could be getting. Instead they have to sell to brokers who really don't want all the tickets they have to buy and end up offloading many at less than face value, or not at all. Notice that for most home games there are many many seats unoccupied, yet the team claims a sellout?!?!? Those are tickets that got sold to a broker but not to a fan...if a fan's butt ain't in the seat, it isn't a sell out.

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