thread of reason

SUNRA · 10-04-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Does letting us reason together mean I accept your view?

No it doesn't mean accepting anything. It simply means to consider the positive things that have happened with this team and not call out every player or staff member that made a mistake. You would agree that there are enough threads on this website to vent your anger. On this thread, it was simply asked not to do that.

SUNRA · 10-04-2004, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I'm really not trying to be argumentative. I too would like to air out my opinion. I don't knock you for having your opinion and neither should you knock me for mine.

Calling my idea crap or implying that some people just won't listen to reason isn't appropriate. I love this site and I like everyone on it. But don't shut down debate. Am I wrong for saying that much?

I don't know who called your opinions crap, but I think this thread was to be for the purpose of considering what progress we have made rather than what we haven't done. There are enough threads here to express your anger with this season.

Hogskin · 10-04-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaunt

even if were a season away from making some stide. were in the mentality at washington of 1 step foreward 2 steps back. we over payed for free agents again. i never wanted portis, i think we would have been better w/ draft picks. tell you know trde samuels in the offseason cause he'll eat up what room under the cap we will have...... until VINNY CERRATO goes dont expect anything from the redskins.... i'm begining 2 think its not the couches its VINNY. remember our only playoff team in the last 10 years was w/o CERRATO ..... maybe its not synder or the coaches its VINNY and his notalent picking GM skills.

Looks like you totally missed the point of this thread. Not surprising that you don't begin to understand what it takes to develop a team under new management. (One key ingredient is PATIENCE!!) If you had been controlling things in New England a few short years ago, you would have run Belichick out of town along with half of the team that is now the powerhouse of the NFL. Real nice job.

Matty, please save the above post so we can have a big chuckle next year.

SmootSmack · 10-04-2004, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaunt

i'm begining 2 think its not the couches its VINNY.

Thank you juggernaut. Finally! I've been saying it all along to those of you demanding we get new furniture...it's not the couches!

hey if people are going to have fun with my typos. I might as well have fun with typos as well

MTK · 10-04-2004, 11:10 AM

I like how during the offseason we praise the moves we make, then once the season starts it's the personnel moves that are the problem and not the lack of execution on the field.

Why is any of this Vinny's fault? Gibbs hand picked guys like Portis and Brunell. So forgive me if I fail to see where Vinny is at fault here.

SmootSmack · 10-04-2004, 11:21 AM

I agree, Matty. I don't think Vinny has final say on any of the personnel moves anyway. He's just a glorified personal assistant these days

offiss · 10-04-2004, 01:44 PM

OK I will throw out a positive, Ron Warner has looked outstanding, he is quickly becoming our best linemen, I no he went down with an injury twice during the game, does anyone know his status?

And for the record, Gibb's has final say on all decision's, not just GM, Cerratto is nothing more than a figure head, who bounces idea's off Gibb's, Gibb's is responsible for all our off season moves, Brunell, and Portis, incl.

That Guy · 10-04-2004, 01:49 PM

warner and pierce have shown up... lemar and taylor, not so much right now...

backrow · 10-04-2004, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I like how during the offseason we praise the moves we make.

Why is any of this Vinny's fault? Gibbs hand picked guys like Portis and Brunell.

I didn't praise the Brunell move. I blame the Brunell move!
I thought it was a bad move then.

I think we got value for value for Portis/Champ, but I didn't praise it! It thought Betts would be able to do it without a Portis! I still think that!

Ynot blame cousin vinnie? He is joined to LDS at the hip & thigh!

CRT3 · 10-04-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

I don't know who called your opinions crap, but I think this thread was to be for the purpose of considering what progress we have made rather than what we haven't done. There are enough threads here to express your anger with this season.

Well Ramsey fan has a good point on mostly everything, but let me be the one that says his opions on Brunell is CRAP. He has played within the system. Typically avoids the sack and the interception. Lets see 1 interception in 3 1/2 games. The play calling has been up and down. What has he done that is so terribly wrong. Please show me somthing other then he sucks, be at the very least annaltical.

MTK · 10-04-2004, 02:48 PM

Brunell is taking way too much heat for the offensive struggles right now.

At lunch I was listening to ESPN radio and a show called "The Heard" I think, well it was abuzz with talk over talk of how the game has passed Gibbs by, Brunell stinks, blah blah. It just made me laugh.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-04-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CRT3

Well Ramsey fan has a good point on mostly everything, but let me be the one that says his opions on Brunell is CRAP.

fair enough

Hogskin · 10-04-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Brunell is taking way too much heat for the offensive struggles right now.

At lunch I was listening to ESPN radio and a show called "The Heard" I think, well it was abuzz with talk over talk of how the game has passed Gibbs by, Brunell stinks, blah blah. It just made me laugh.

I love it, Matty. Gibbs comes here in 81, after a 6-10 season, after they won 24 of their 48 games in the previous 3 years. He went 0-5 to start the year. But somehow he managed to follow it up with 4 Super Bowls in the next 11 years. That was all fine and good.

Now, he comes back after a 5-11 season, after they only won 20 of their previous 48 games. He goes 1-3 (2-2 without the NFL-acknowledged official's errors), and that is an indication the game has passed him by.

BRILLIANT!!!!!

BRILLIANT!!!!!

I'm glad you were able to laugh at it. The great joy, though, will be getting the LAST laugh. I am hopeful and expectant that it will be coming to us.

SkinsRock · 10-04-2004, 05:15 PM

OK, I'll admit it, the game may have passed Gibbs by....BUT, Gibbs is the master of adjustments. I'm positive that even as we speak, he is already adjusting and adapting his coaching style and offense to the "new" NFL. It took him 5 games to do it the first time around, and this time he started out one win ahead of the curve. Needless to say, I was VERY dissappointed after yesterday's game, but I have the confidence that it will get better....soon (please!!!).

CrazyCanuck · 10-05-2004, 07:08 PM

I've finally calmed down and I think my head is now cool enough to post in this thread.

The way I see it - this team could very easily be 4-0. I'm sure most would agree with me. That's not to say that I think this team is elite, but I do think they are solid. Unfortunately with parity in the NFL, there are about 24 other teams in the same boat as the Skins.

When you are at this level your W-L will be ultimately be decided by how you do the "little things", and right now the Skins could not be worse in that department.

I really think if we can eliminate the turnovers and manage the clock a little better this team can go on a run and make the playoffs. But time is running out.

10-04-2004, 11:21 AM	#36
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I agree, Matty. I don't think Vinny has final say on any of the personnel moves anyway. He's just a glorified personal assistant these days __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-04-2004, 11:10 AM	#35
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I like how during the offseason we praise the moves we make, then once the season starts it's the personnel moves that are the problem and not the lack of execution on the field. Why is any of this Vinny's fault? Gibbs hand picked guys like Portis and Brunell. So forgive me if I fail to see where Vinny is at fault here.

10-04-2004, 01:44 PM	#37
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	OK I will throw out a positive, Ron Warner has looked outstanding, he is quickly becoming our best linemen, I no he went down with an injury twice during the game, does anyone know his status? And for the record, Gibb's has final say on all decision's, not just GM, Cerratto is nothing more than a figure head, who bounces idea's off Gibb's, Gibb's is responsible for all our off season moves, Brunell, and Portis, incl.

10-04-2004, 01:49 PM	#38
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	warner and pierce have shown up... lemar and taylor, not so much right now...

10-04-2004, 02:48 PM	#41
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Brunell is taking way too much heat for the offensive struggles right now. At lunch I was listening to ESPN radio and a show called "The Heard" I think, well it was abuzz with talk over talk of how the game has passed Gibbs by, Brunell stinks, blah blah. It just made me laugh.

10-04-2004, 05:15 PM	#44
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	OK, I'll admit it, the game may have passed Gibbs by....BUT, Gibbs is the master of adjustments. I'm positive that even as we speak, he is already adjusting and adapting his coaching style and offense to the "new" NFL. It took him 5 games to do it the first time around, and this time he started out one win ahead of the curve. Needless to say, I was VERY dissappointed after yesterday's game, but I have the confidence that it will get better....soon (please!!!).

10-05-2004, 07:08 PM	#45
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	I've finally calmed down and I think my head is now cool enough to post in this thread. The way I see it - this team could very easily be 4-0. I'm sure most would agree with me. That's not to say that I think this team is elite, but I do think they are solid. Unfortunately with parity in the NFL, there are about 24 other teams in the same boat as the Skins. When you are at this level your W-L will be ultimately be decided by how you do the "little things", and right now the Skins could not be worse in that department. I really think if we can eliminate the turnovers and manage the clock a little better this team can go on a run and make the playoffs. But time is running out.

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