Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Buster

T-Sizzle?

I love that nickname

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

T-Sizzle?

T-Thuggy? LOL.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by 30gut

That wasn't his actual 40 time that was what they thought he would run.
Its well documented that Suggs ran a 'slow' 40.

That same year, the AP Defensive Rookie of the Year, Terrell Suggs, didn’t run fast for scouts, either. At Arizona State in the fall of 2002, Suggs collected an NCAA-record 24 sacks. But at 6-3, 262 pounds, Suggs was considered too small to be a three-down defensive end. And because he ran a disappointing 4.8 in the 40-yard dash during a private workout that March, Suggs was considered too slow to drop back in coverage as an outside linebacker in the 4-3. Suggs was a “tweaner,” a guy who didn’t belong at any particular position; at least that’s how his measurable qualities sized him up.

Draft Stock - How important are 40 times?

Although i would rather see Orakpo start at RDE, i think that he could be good at SAM in fact i think he could be very good.

I don't think Blache intends to use 'Rak like a typical 4-3 SAM/OLB.
Towards then end of the season Blache began playing JT at SAM and put him close to the line of scimmage and the plan was to move him to SAM fulltime in 2009, now i think that Orakpo will fill that role.
Also Blache had success w/ Rosevelt Colvin at OLB w/2 10 sacks seasons.

Great point 'gut.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What is wrong with me having the opinion of not liking a player who tends to get a his fair share of personal fouls? I never said anything about Suggs ability to play, just his attitude and his personal fouls. He could have changed now, but I've seen in some Ravens boards that discipline was an issue with him in his first couple of years in the league.

Sheesh, I hear people here call Redskins players worst things, and I call Terrell Suggs a thug (which once again, my opinion, I'm just some yahoo on a soapbox in the internet) and people get all worked up over it?

Pacman is a thug, Plexico is a thug, Suggs is a player with a mean streak. I do remember Sean Taylor getting his share of personal fouls. Does that make him a thug?

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by RedskinMike

Pacman is a thug, Plexico is a thug, Suggs is a player with a mean streak. I do remember Sean Taylor getting his share of personal fouls. Does that make him a thug?

Good point, there is confusion because the term thug is overused now. As long as the mean streak stays on the field i have no problems.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by RedskinMike

Pacman is a thug, Plexico is a thug, Suggs is a player with a mean streak. I do remember Sean Taylor getting his share of personal fouls. Does that make him a thug?

Pacman and Plaxico are morons. And yes, Sean Taylor used to get his share of personal fouls and he had discipline problems (i.e. spitting incident) , I'm sure there were people (non-Redskins fans) who would have alluded to Taylor's discipline problems as an issues and not want him on their team. So maybe I misused the term "thug" but I just don't understand why people are getting so worked up over this. I mean it's not like Suggs is a freaking Redskins, sheesh.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Good point, there is confusion because the term thug is overused now. As long as the mean streak stays on the field i have no problems.

I agree. A defensive player should have a "mean streak" on the field. That's football Bubba. As long as there's no late "cheapshots" with the intent to seriously injure someone. That's for wussies and chumps.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree. A defensive player should have a "mean streak" on the field. That's football Bubba. As long as there's no late "cheapshots" with the intent to seriously injure someone. That's for wussies and chumps.

Hate to bring it up, but while we're debating "overly aggressive" vs. "thug"... AH had his share of oft replayed on-the-field incidents.. I'm willing to overlook it now that he's a Redskin, but I remember being really disgusted that he was only suspended a couple of games for stomping on a guy's face.. Let's hope it's behind him after $100 mil.

Point is, perhaps we're more forgiving when the "thugs" are on our side. Either way, there's a good aggression that doesn't hurt anyone but kicks ass on the field. I sure love seeing Romo & TO getting the living snot smacked out of them..

ps. I miss Sean Taylor, what a freaking defense it could have been. sigh.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Hate to bring it up, but while we're debating "overly aggressive" vs. "thug"... AH had his share of oft replayed on-the-field incidents.. I'm willing to overlook it now that he's a Redskin, but I remember being really disgusted that he was only suspended a couple of games for stomping on a guy's face.. Let's hope it's behind him after $100 mil.

Point is, perhaps we're more forgiving when the "thugs" are on our side. Either way, there's a good aggression that doesn't hurt anyone but kicks ass on the field. I sure love seeing Romo & TO getting the living snot smacked out of them..

ps. I miss Sean Taylor, what a freaking defense it could have been. sigh.

Well, I think there was a comment or two about AH's on the field and off the field issues as he was coming here. I think you're right that we tend to be forgiving of the overly aggressive players when they have on a Redskins uniform, I mean that's just natural. (Although, the funny thing that Suggs is not a Redskins, and my criticism of his overly aggressiveness has touched off some nerves in here apparently) I think (and hope) that AH's issues are behind him and well I think he got a lot of heat for the stomping incident.

In case anyone cares, T. Suggs has 12 personal foul penalties (i.e. unnecessary roughness, roughing the passer, etc., etc.). I think right now Adrian Wilson leads the league with 17. Still can't find a website with this info though, had to do a manual count.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Hate to bring it up, but while we're debating "overly aggressive" vs. "thug"... AH had his share of oft replayed on-the-field incidents.. I'm willing to overlook it now that he's a Redskin, but I remember being really disgusted that he was only suspended a couple of games for stomping on a guy's face.. Let's hope it's behind him after $100 mil.

Point is, perhaps we're more forgiving when the "thugs" are on our side. Either way, there's a good aggression that doesn't hurt anyone but kicks ass on the field. I sure love seeing Romo & TO getting the living snot smacked out of them..

ps. I miss Sean Taylor, what a freaking defense it could have been. sigh.

Yeah. I don't condone what AH did and I think he regrets it. To be perfectly honest, I probably would have been a lot more outraged if it wasn't a Cowgirl that he stomped. Just being honest. If he continued playing like that I wouldn't even want him on our team, but I think he's put that kind of stuff behind him and has moved on to be better than doing that type of thing. I agree that the type of aggession you're talking about is a good thing. I personally think it makes you a better player. Especially on defense. Fear and intimidation is a part of the game and can be very beneficial to a player. Of course you must have talent to go along with it. Sean Taylor embodied talent and intimidation. The job he did on T.O.'s head, amongest others, was remarkable. I miss him and I wish I could stop thinking about "what could have been". He was truly a great football player.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Yeah. I don't condone what AH did and I think he regrets it. To be perfectly honest, I probably would have been a lot more outraged if it wasn't a Cowgirl that he stomped. Just being honest. If he continued playing like that I wouldn't even want him on our team, but I think he's put that kind of stuff behind him and has moved on to be better than doing that type of thing. I agree that the type of aggession you're talking about is a good thing. I personally think it makes you a better player. Especially on defense. Fear and intimidation is a part of the game and can be very beneficial to a player. Of course you must have talent to go along with it. Sean Taylor embodied talent and intimidation. The job he did on T.O.'s head, amongest others, was remarkable. I miss him and I wish I could stop thinking about "what could have been". He was truly a great football player.

I remember when TO was in Philly and was walking behind Sean jabbering in his ear and he just elbowed him in the face. TO always seemed to walk lightly around him after that.

[GridIron26]

Sean Taylor was the only one who could put fear into any receivers in NFL, including Owens and such..

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by RedskinMike

I remember when TO was in Philly and was walking behind Sean jabbering in his ear and he just elbowed him in the face. TO always seemed to walk lightly around him after that.

God I miss him. He knew what football was all about. The man was fearless.

[an23dy]

It looks like I'm going to be the only one on Rushkins side on this one. I can't believe everybody forgot about the "bounty" Suggs put on taking Hines Ward out. He also said they had a bounty on Mendenhall as well who got taken out for the season. If that's not a thug in NFL terms, then I don't know what is. Maybe that's just Suggs being chalked up as a dummy tho, cuz it seems like that guy has always got a dumb comment for the media. And everybody calls Suggs a thug, I'm suprised so many people disagree. I mean in terms of the NFL there aren't that many high profile guys saying and doing the stuff that he does.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

This is a little better than the Orakpo v. _______ thread would have been.