Reading between the lines I say Zorn is gone.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree. Sure I would like a solid affirmation. But this is the next best thing. Would you rather hear "We've discussed JZ's status at length and he is staying"?? I'ld rather think that they made this decision last year, and it is what it is. Period. End of statement.
I hope.

That could be the case. I just don't understand why VC wouldn't just come out and say JZ is the coach in 09. Something is strange about that.

[skinsfan1987]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

That could be the case. I just don't understand why VC wouldn't just come out and say JZ is the coach in 09. Something is strange about that.

Because Vinny is a idiot and he doesn't take himself responsible for this mess. Remember, he promoted zorn to head coach from the Offensive Coordinator position when they couldn't get another head coach.

For the record: If Jim Zorn is fired and Vinny keeps his job, THE REDSKINS HAVE NO HOPE. SERIOUSLY:WHO THE HELL WANTS TO COACH HERE ANYWAY? THIS WILL BE SYNDER 7TH HEAD COACH HE HAS HIRED IN HIS NINE YEAR REGIME, THAT'S GOTTA BE A NFL RECORD OF SOME SORTS.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

I agree on Hixon, Smith, Bugel and Blache.. I think Jackson is ok. I wouldn't mind seeing Jerry Gray or Kirk Olavodatti (sp) as the defensive coordinator.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree on Hixon, Smith, Bugel and Blache.. I think Jackson is ok. I wouldn't mind seeing Jerry Gray or Kirk Olavodatti (sp) as the defensive coordinator.

Well Olivadotti is definitely a guy they've been building up for the past several years. I don't know that he's ready yet for defensive coordinator, but I might make him defensive line coach or special teams coach.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Can anyone tell me if we have any chance in hell of getting my latest man crush Eric DeCosta or are we doomed to have Vinny, who's STILL talking about Recievers on his radio show to lead us into to football oblivion?

yeah i caught a bit of this in the car when vinny was talking to mel kipper. vinny and mel were talking about how WRs take 2-3 years to see what you got and then started pointing out the D line players drafted in the first 2 rounds this year throwing out stats like "jake long 4 sacks, merling 1 1/2 sacks" etc. to me it seemed vinny was trying to cover his ass by pointing out that any D lineman we could have drafted would not have contributed this year like our WRs. well thanks to vinny those Dlineman he listed wont be contributing next year or the year after for the skins. to me it showed a lack of long term thinking which i thought was why we pay the man.

yeah vinny, defend your logic, i understand its your job but to me he comes off like a laughing hyenia who doesnt want to admit certain short-comings or even learn from past mistakes. just dont really like the guy, seems like a bit of tool with his humor.

go skins i suppose . . .

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Classic front office speak = "We will evaluate everything at the end of the year, right now we will focus on the next opponent" Translation = our coach is gone.

Hmmm...I swore that meant "Vinny likes hairy asses", I will have to go back and review my Front Office Speak Dictonary for the correct translation.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

yeah i caught a bit of this in the car when vinny was talking to mel kipper. vinny and mel were talking about how WRs take 2-3 years to see what you got and then started pointing out the D line players drafted in the first 2 rounds this year throwing out stats like "jake long 4 sacks, merling 1 1/2 sacks" etc. to me it seemed vinny was trying to cover his ass by pointing out that any D lineman we could have drafted would not have contributed this year like our WRs. well thanks to vinny those Dlineman he listed wont be contributing next year or the year after for the skins. to me it showed a lack of long term thinking which i thought was why we pay the man.

yeah vinny, defend your logic, i understand its your job but to me he comes off like a laughing hyenia who doesnt want to admit certain short-comings or even learn from past mistakes. just dont really like the guy, seems like a bit of tool with his humor.

go skins i suppose . . .

Don't you love that he is so bug eyed? I mean I don't know if I've ever seen someone who's eyes are that wide at all times. He's literally and figuratively a deer in headlights! LOL!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well Olivadotti is definitely a guy they've been building up for the past several years. I don't know that he's ready yet for defensive coordinator, but I might make him defensive line coach or special teams coach.

Considering how poorly our linebackers have played (other than Fletcher), The last thing Olivadotti deserves is a promotion. We should bring in someone outside for the DC position, possibly Keith Butler (Steelers LB coach), or Mike Waufle (Giants DL coach). We need some fresh blood injected into the defense, not someone who will just continue with Blache's wussy-pants philosophy.

[BrunellMVP?]

maybe the Zorn discussion never happened (with Vinny present) becuase the Redskins are FINALLY going to KICK HIM TO THE CURB and are keeping him out of the loop.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Hmmm...I swore that meant "Vinny likes hairy asses", I will have to go back and review my Front Office Speak Dictonary for the correct translation.

I'm just going off of what I have seen and heard in the past 10 years. Thats usually what the GM says before someone gets the axe.

Let me know what your dictionary says.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

That could be the case. I just don't understand why VC wouldn't just come out and say JZ is the coach in 09. Something is strange about that.

To think that they would not want a little time in the off season to look at JZ would be crazy after what has happened in the last 6 games. I'd think that alot is on the table and now is not the time to do so. We still have two games and do you really think that Snyder and Vinny are going to call JZ into there office now to discuess what happened and what to do about next year. Heck, we are not even totally out of the play off picture and to start those talks now would be stupid.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

To think that they would not want a little time in the off season to look at JZ would be crazy after what has happened in the last 6 games. I'd think that alot is on the table and now is not the time to do so. We still have two games and do you really think that Snyder and Vinny are going to call JZ into there office now to discuess what happened and what to do about next year. Heck, we are not even totally out of the play off picture and to start those talks now would be stupid.

Exactly. I also think they will be smart enough not to fire Zorn unless they know for sure someone like Bill Cowher or Mike Holmgren wants the job.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Don't you love that he is so bug eyed? I mean I don't know if I've ever seen someone who's eyes are that wide at all times. He's literally and figuratively a deer in headlights! LOL!

yeah lol, i try to not judge vinny on the way he looks or laughs or makes cheesy non-funny jokes and just in general comes off as someone i could see the rest of the nfl exec.'s laughing at behind his back.

i try to just focus that out and give him an objective chance to make valid insightful points b/c his personal appearance and personallity should have nothing to do with his ability to build a team . . . . i try, i really do.

go skins!!

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

maybe the Zorn discussion never happened (with Vinny present) becuase the Redskins are FINALLY going to KICK HIM TO THE CURB and are keeping him out of the loop.

That would be glorious!!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Considering how poorly our linebackers have played (other than Fletcher), The last thing Olivadotti deserves is a promotion. We should bring in someone outside for the DC position, possibly Keith Butler (Steelers LB coach), or Mike Waufle (Giants DL coach). We need some fresh blood injected into the defense, not someone who will just continue with Blache's wussy-pants philosophy.

How many different names are you going to have on this site. Only one is allowed, just so you know. You can PM me or Matty with any questions

As for Olivadotti, I'm not going to hold him entirely responsible for the fact that neither McIntosh nor Washington appears to have been healthy for 75% of the season. I like what he has done with a couple of the "scrubs" in Fincher and Sinclair over the summer. Also, prior to this he worked on the defensive line a couple of years back and I think he did pretty good work with Montgomery and Golston.

Like I said though, I don't think he's ready to be defensive coordinator. I wouldn't mind brining Mike Trgovac back