Colt Brennan

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

I'm just laughing at all you Colt haters. One day soon he'll prove you wrong. The same people who protect JC are the ones who say not to bench Brunell for JC. So its amazing how it works. JC is only buying his time. Theres no extension yet nor will there be before they give more of a work load to Colt to see how he does.

I think you are making quite a leap to say anyone is a Colt hater. He is a Redskin that was drafted in the 6th round. Why would anyone hate him? It was a 6th round pick so it is not like it is a pick anyone has high expectations for or thought it could have been used to draft a stud lineman.

IMO the reality is he is not ready and there is a good chance he will be a career backup if he is lucky. Not because I hate him, but it is just my opinion from watching him in the WAC. He played in a system that allowed him to put up great numbers. There have been many, many college QBs that have done this and most never make it to the NFL. He was no 'secret' and all the NFL teams passed on him. Could he prove them wrong? Sure anything is possible. Would I bet on it? No. And not because I hate him since it would be the best thing for my team if he was a franchise QB.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

chris cooley played in that same conference and is producing and he was a 3rd rd pick

so what's your point?

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

so what's your point?

whats my point, my point is just because hes not a first round pick and from the WAC , doesnt mean brennan wont produce......cooley played for utah state which is in the WAC and was a 3rd round pick...

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Well at this point it really doesn't mater why we drafted him. They're gonna keep the douche they call Campbell at QB and we'll play from there. Now Campbell isn't the reason we lost last night. The line once again was horrible, but he is the reason why my voice is soar from screaming move out the pocket and throw the damn ball away. He hangs on the ball much to long for my taste. He also doesn't have much motivation skills on the sideline either. When a team is down or making a comeback you see the Bradys or Farves on the sideline walking the bench back and forth to get his team hyped. Every cut to Jason on the sideline i see him on the bench with very little excitement.

JC gets one more year at QB. If he produces they resign him, if not he is gone. THe FO told Frerotte to take a hike for not getting the job done, then Johnson because of not getting the job done and $$$$$. JC will want a raise, which is natural with guys in his position in the league. I would find it rather disturbing if Snyder doesn't part with this guy if we go 7-9 or 8-8 in 2009. On top of that JC shows no passion or leadership at all in his starting role. Even Frerotte showed some emotion and fight when he was with us, as did Johnson.

[BDBohnzie]

It's typically easier for a non-QB to come from a smaller school than a QB...not taking anything away from Cooley, but you're not exactly comparing apples to apples.

Colt Brennan is a project, nothing more, nothing less. And while there are exceptions to every rule (Tom Brady), I wouldn't expect much more than a career backup role for Brennan, if anything. System QBs don't tend to last very long (again, Todd Collins being an exception) in the NFL because the systems change and adapt much quicker than on the college level.

Not that it's a bad thing. And while JC might not be the answer the Skins will end up needing, I don't think Brennan is either.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Well at this point it really doesn't mater why we drafted him. They're gonna keep the douche they call Campbell at QB and we'll play from there. Now Campbell isn't the reason we lost last night. The line once again was horrible, but he is the reason why my voice is soar from screaming move out the pocket and throw the damn ball away. He hangs on the ball much to long for my taste. He also doesn't have much motivation skills on the sideline either. When a team is down or making a comeback you see the Bradys or Farves on the sideline walking the bench back and forth to get his team hyped. Every cut to Jason on the sideline i see him on the bench with very little excitement.

I am sorry but these types of comments are just bogus to me. Are you in the huddle? Have you spoken to his teammates? Just b/c he doesn't seem to be motivating them the way you would like, doesn't mean he doesn't command their respect. These are the same types of comments Philly fans make about McNabb. Several of the greatest QB's ever were known for their quiet command of the game. Johnny U - not a sideline rah-rah guy, but he owned his team. Same for Joe Montana.

Leadership comes in many forms and this BS that a QB has to be a cheerleader to be effective strikes me as ignorant.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

I don't wanna throw my boy in the fire but Im talking about the people on this site who see JC as the man with all the answers. I don't want my boy getting his nerves shot but when is somebody ready. Throwing a guy out there is a hit or miss. I don't believe a player shouldn't have to wait two or three seasons to prove himself. If you can play you can play look at first timers Flacco and Matt from the falcons two players who are getting the job done. Don't give me the line is superior crap also because thats the same line that got Harrington and Leftwich nearly killed last year.

For the record, Flacco didn't "get it done" yesterday. 10-21 for 146 yards with a TD and a pick. The Ravens didn't win because of him

Also,

Ravens LT: Jared Gaither (2nd year, first full year as a starter)
Ravens LG: Ben Grubbs (2nd year starter)
Ravens C: Jason Brown (4th year, 3rd year starter)
Ravens RG: Chris Chester (3rd year, 2nd year starter)
Ravens RT: Who's starting there these days? Is it Anderson?

Falcons LT: Sam Baker (1st year, IR I think)
Falcons LG: Justin Blalock (2nd year)
Falcons C: Todd McClure (10th year)
Falcons RG: Harvey Dahl (2nd year, first year starter)
Falcons RT: Tyson Clabo (3rd year)

With the exception of the Falcons' center, we're talking about youth across the board for both lines. And guys getting the chance to develop together which is huge for an offensive line. I think the argument could be made that chemistry is just as, if not more, crucial than talent.

[DIRTEE]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I am sorry but these types of comments are just bogus to me. Are you in the huddle? Have you spoken to his teammates? Just b/c he doesn't seem to be motivating them the way you would like, doesn't mean he doesn't command their respect. These are the same types of comments Philly fans make about McNabb. Several of the greatest QB's ever were known for their quiet command of the game. Johnny U - not a sideline rah-rah guy, but he owned his team. Same for Joe Montana.

Leadership comes in many forms and this BS that a QB has to be a cheerleader to be effective strikes me as ignorant.

I concur with you brother. Professional athletes are paid to play the game. Jason shouldn't have to pump up his team, everyone should be self motivated. Its all about the dollar dollar bills!!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

whats my point, my point is just because hes not a first round pick and from the WAC , doesnt mean brennan wont produce......cooley played for utah state which is in the WAC and was a 3rd round pick...

See post # 35...thanks BD.

I didn't say he wouldn't produce because he's not a 1st round pick, or because he's from the WAC. I say he won't produce because: He's a system guy from Hawaii, he doesn't have a strong arm, he isn't physically gifted, he has a poor throwing motion / release. He doesn't strike me as a real good decision maker.

The facts on him "are what they are". He's not a first round level talent. The WAC is an inferior conference to the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 10. Timmy Chang put up similar numbers to Colt in his time at Hawaii. Timmy Chang is now in the CFL.

When Colt actually wins an NFL game as a starter, then we can open the discussion on whether he'll amount to more than a career back-up. Right now if JC goes down (God forbid), I'm glad we would go to Collins rather than Brennan.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Why did they draft Colt Brennan? Certainly it was not for either of these two reasons:

1. They think he will max out as a third-string QB - - aka "baseball cap wearer and clipboard holder." or

2. They think he's ready to play at the NFL level in 2008.


If they thought he could play NOW, he would never have lasted until the 6th round. The Skins would have taken him in the rounds where they took all those other guys they thought could play - - like Rhinehart and Tryon.

On the other hand, the same guys who drafted him as a "prospect/project" also took Kelly/Davis/Thomas early on to help resolve problems in the receiving corps... So, maybe he is a super-star ready to take over the league immediately - - if he can only get his shot.


Why isn't Colt Brennan ready to play now? Because he is the product of an offensive system that is not used in the NFL meaning that he has to start the learning process from next to the very beginning. Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan had a huge advantage over Colt Brennan in college because they played in systems that are far more similar to NFL offenses. And so they began the learning curve at a higher level of experience.


Will Colt Brennan ever be any good? It is waaay too early to know. So far, he has played against competition that was generally not good enough to make the NFL - - both at Hawaii and in the exhibition games. Right now, only the coaches who see him in practice all the time have any idea how close he is to being "NFL-competent" - - or how far away he is.


NFL scouting is not a science. If it were, Johnny Unitas would not have been an undrafted free-agent and the Redskins would have selected a much better receiver in the second round this year than the guys they selected. So, the jury is out on Colt Brennan and it will take a horrendous set of circumstances for anyone to see him in a game this year for anything other than mop-up duty.


But IMAGINE for a moment that Brennan is nowhere near ready to play and that is apparent to people in the Redskins practices - - including Jason Campbell. If that were the case, wouldn't it make sense for JC and his agent to work on getting that long term extension in this off-season instead of waiting. After all, IF Brennan isn't ready to play, it's not as if the Redskins have much to fall back on at the position.


Just a thought.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

See post # 35...thanks BD.

I didn't say he wouldn't produce because he's not a 1st round pick, or because he's from the WAC. I say he won't produce because: He's a system guy from Hawaii, he doesn't have a strong arm, he isn't physically gifted, he has a poor throwing motion / release. He doesn't strike me as a real good decision maker.

The facts on him "are what they are". He's not a first round level talent. The WAC is an inferior conference to the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 10. Timmy Chang put up similar numbers to Colt in his time at Hawaii. Timmy Chang is now in the CFL.

When Colt actually wins an NFL game as a starter, then we can open the discussion on whether he'll amount to more than a career back-up. Right now if JC goes down (God forbid), I'm glad we would go to Collins rather than Brennan.

Thank you. All these people who think Colt Brennan could step in and be viable NFL QB right now are giving me a headache. I like that we drafted him, and I like the thought of developing him over time. It's frustrating as hell to lose, but benching Campbell is just dumb.

Although the conference you played in in college doesn't matter all that much. Joe Flacco played for Delaware for god's sake. Romo? Eastern Michigan. McNair played at Alcorn State... There are plenty of damn good NFL players that didn't play in BCS conferences.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I acknowledge that Jason Campbell is imperfect. Jason has a slow release and, at times, has struggled to throw accurate balls on short and intermediate passes. Moreover, I do not hate Colt Brennan. In fact, I want to see Colt succeed just as I want every other Redskin to succeed. My loyalty is to the team, not to any particular individual. So, I will be thrilled if Colt becomes some stud who brings us a Super Bowl trophy.

At this point, however, I have seen nothing to make me think that Colt is undoubtedly "the guy." Consider the following:

• Although Colt was highly productive in college, so too was Jimmy Chang, who is now out of the league. I don't mean to suggest that Colt Brennan is Jimmy Chang, Jr. However, Colts' fans should consider the reality that June Jones' offense tends to make quarterbacks look more talented than they truly are.

• Mel Kiper and several other respected draft analysts concluded that Colt, while worth a late round pick, is a system quarterback who will struggle in a pro-style offense against starting-caliber defenses. Mel Kiper has been wrong on numerous occasions, but it is meaningful that a great number of people paid to evaluate talent and 31 teams concluded that Colt was not worthy of a 5th round pick. In anticipation of the "Tom Brady was a 6th round pick" chorus, for every Tom Brady, there are several dozen JaJuan Seiders. Who is JaJuan Seider? Exactly.

• In the biggest games of his career, Colt struggled mightily. Colt struggled against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, in Senior Bowl practices and in the Senior Bowl itself. Now, I've heard Colts' fans say, "he was playing behind a suspect line against Georgia." That excuse may very well be true, but it is interesting that Colt fans scoff when Jason Campbell's fans say "Jason is playing behind a suspect line." I do not think that a single game defines a quaterback, but I watched Colt in the Sugar Bowl and he wasn't pretty.

• While Colt performed brilliantly in preseason games against the Colts' and the Jets' 3rd team defenses, he also played very poorly against the Panthers' and Bills' 3rd team defenses. I expect young quarterbacks to have problems with consistency when playing against tough 1st team defenses. I do not expect to see those inconsistency issues when a starting caliber quarterback plays against 3rd team defenses.

• Colt will not beat Jason to become the starter until he beats Collins to become the primary backup. Although many people seem to forget about Todd Collins, he is still on this team. Moreover, Collins is the primary backup. Until Zorn and the rest of the coaching staff believe Colt is a better quarterback than Todd, Colt will not beat Jason for the starting quarterback role. So, as hard as this seems to believe, right now there is no competition between Colt and Jason.

It's not that I am convinced that Colt will be a bad quarterback in the NFL, it's that I don't know what to make of him at this point. We have so little information to judge him by, that I am simply stunned that so many people are convinced he is the answer to all of our prayers. I suppose I shouldn't be stunned, after all, we are talking about Washington Redskins fans who tend to love backup quarterbacks like a junkie loves a fix. It is those people, the devout members of the Cult of Colt, whose judgment I question. For anyone who is 100% positive Colt is "the guy," please let me take your time machine for a spin.

As much as the fans would love the coaches to play Colt, they play the best players available. They do not make personnel decisions to satisfy the personal curiousity of outsiders. So I ask the members of the Cult of Colt, do you think the coaches (a) realize that Colt is a superior quarterback to Collins and Campbell but refuse to play him because they have some vendetta against him or (b) aren't as smart as you when it comes to Colt despite the fact that they see him nearly every day in practice?

[schndr_tdd]

Colt Brennen is a future pro-bowler.Campbell holds on to the ball to long,he looks like a deer inheadlights against top-notch defenses.I wouldnt mind him throwing a few more interceptions to see him riffle it out of his hands!! DO SOMETHING!!!! The way our offense is i say get Vick outta jail card and let him run.(not really,im just pissed and frustrated)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by schndr_tdd

Colt Brennen is a future pro-bowler.Campbell holds on to the ball to long,he looks like a deer inheadlights against top-notch defenses.I wouldnt mind him throwing a few more interceptions to see him riffle it out of his hands!! DO SOMETHING!!!! The way our offense is i say get Vick outta jail card and let him run.(not really,im just pissed and frustrated)

Sigh. Read SGG's post right before this one. A few decent preseason games and he's a future-pro bowler??

I'm gonna sign off of the warpath for a little while. I feel like my IQ is being lowered today by some of the crap flying around....

[schndr_tdd]

Colt is a mobile,strong arm,accurate,energetic QB.