The Ramsey Dilemma

Big C · 08-29-2004, 12:33 PM

that looks like total yards per game, thats different man, ur changing it up. last one tennessee was first...

SUNRA · 08-29-2004, 03:26 PM

Ramsey doesn't remind me of any of the Q.B's that have emerged to play first string. Chad Hutchingson and Tom Brady definitely learned a great deal on the sidelines watching Testeverde and Bledsoe. The difference hear is unfortunately Ramsey inherited a team with an unstable coaching staff which expected him to run it out of the stable and we witnessed a massacre on a QB. Ramsey has the talent, but will he humble himself to learn from a real coach and an experienced QB directly or indirectly? That's the point he's at right now. If he takes over in the latter part of the season it will be disasterous because the competition get better.

offiss · 08-29-2004, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Try the likes of Joe Washington, Ricky Ervins, Kelvin Bryant and even Byner who wasn't exactly a true power back.

Gibbs knows RB's, he didn't win 3 SB's with luck, he knows how to plug guys into his system. If he wanted a plowhorse, don't you think he would have went out and got one?? Today's game is all about speed, much more so than in his first go-round. You've been sippin the ignorant media kool-aid that would like you to believe that Gibbs system needs a power back. That's a huge misconception. The backs I named above were all very successful in this offense and Portis will be no exception.

Thank you Matty!

offiss · 08-29-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by la73hof

I just have a difference in Philosophy here..and see this from my angle
..from a cap number/draft selection given up philosophy

Is Portis, along with his 8 year, 50 million contract along with 10 or so mill signing bonus along with giving up Bailey and a 2 a better deal than keeping your 2nd, (by not trading CB) your 3rd ( but being patient for a vet QB to become available and then using your 2nd and 3rd to move up and draft Jackson, who comes with a cap number a lot less than Portis, especially after year 3 of the contract and beyond?

Now, I understand Bailey would have gotten Portis money and them some, but what would you rather have --Bailey/Jackson/Collins or Portis/Springs/Brunnel?

How about a Taylor and Jackson for your efforts in the 1st?

The consider the system Gibbs has up there..what kind of backs have thrived?
Gibbs has never had a smaller, shiftier back..always a plowhorse when things were at their peak ala Riggins and Gerald Riggs

We the Eagles werent as desparate for Jackson..they already had Wesbrook and @ the time a healthy Buckhalter..they got the guy they coveted..Andrews by giving swapping 1st's and giving up up a 2nd to SF to secure him

Wile Jackson was a good prospect, he wasnt an elite prospect...our scouting dept had Jackson, Kevin Jones and Julius Jones rated as nearly the same (with K Jones being the #1 back)..so picking up a #1 next year made the decision easy

I just dont see that much of a difference between Collins and Brunnel

Im not saying Brunnel isnt a better QB because he is..his career stats prove it ..But to the tune of is he 6 years, 43 mil with a healthy SB and a 3nd round draft pick better?

No way

Collins behind an effective offensive line is a good QB..as witness by his Super Bowl season 4 years ago and just 2 years ago when the Giants offense was extremely effective and got them to the playoffs before the Giants D collapased with a 38-14 lead

I just dont like the way My Snyder is mortgages the future...just like JJ used too up until 4 years ago

the LB spot..you guys have 3 very good LB's but have a very average DL. The LB's could have a tough time because of the play of the DL if opposing OL are getting out to your LB's

And if the DL isnt getting to the QB, and LB's are being blitzed, the secondary is gonna receive plenty of attention

Bailey wasnt as good as all the hype he received, but he was still a very good player.

Smoot isnt Bailey...and either is Springs althoug I agree with your take on Springs..if healthy and he remains healthy he's gonna make plays

And as good as Taylor is gonna be, he cant cover everyone

I have a question about Collin's, If he is as good as you say he is, then why didn't the boy's sign him? And don't tell me at the time you had Carter, Carter is looking for another job right now because Parcell's know's he's a lowsy QB, he used the drug test as an convienent excuse to get rid of him, and I don't blame him 1 bit, so who would you rather have, 40 year old Vinnie? Or super bowl loser Collin's?

Dave Butz Baby! · 08-29-2004, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

I have a question about Collin's, If he is as good as you say he is, then why didn't the boy's sign him? And don't tell me at the time you had Carter, Carter is looking for another job right now because Parcell's know's he's a lowsy QB, he used the drug test as an convienent excuse to get rid of him, and I don't blame him 1 bit, so who would you rather have, 40 year old Vinnie? Or super bowl loser Collin's?

Hey.. I drafted Collins in the last round of my fantasy league. He may just be the suprise starter and do damn well in Norv's long ball offense. Or at least I'm wagering money that he does.

Big C · 08-29-2004, 04:18 PM

kerry collins is a very good QB, much better than testes.

SUNRA · 08-29-2004, 06:21 PM

Collins is playing great in the Raider nation. Good arm, weak legs.

SUNRA · 08-29-2004, 06:28 PM

I think Ramsey gets dealt away next year for a better draft pick. A veteran QB is the direction this team has it's eyes set on. Brunell will be very successful under Gibbs if he only stays healthy.

That Guy · 08-29-2004, 07:03 PM

i doubt ramsey will be traded, gibbs already said he's the future, and mark should last long enough for him to get there.

offiss · 08-29-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Butz Baby!

Hey.. I drafted Collins in the last round of my fantasy league. He may just be the suprise starter and do damn well in Norv's long ball offense. Or at least I'm wagering money that he does.

If you can give him a big cushion to throw, he will kill you, but there in lies the key, any pressure what so ever, and he will kill YOU.

Good luck with the FL.

joethiesmanfan · 08-30-2004, 08:30 AM

i am gonna say this one time and one time only don't criticise Gibbs cause Ramsey sucks.

That Guy · 08-30-2004, 11:06 AM

uhh, what's that in response to? and how can you say that when gibbs said its his fault himself lol

and if your talking about the rams game, there were a lot more players than ramsey who screwed up...

MTK · 08-30-2004, 11:54 AM

Do we have anyone on the team that doesn't suck??

If this forum was running the team we would have run everyone outta town!

From what I've seen on the WP.net chopping block we have the likes of Ramsey, Jacobs, Betts, Gardner, Cartwright, Barrow and Bowen. Am I missing anyone? LOL

Have some patience guys, it's a long season, enjoy the ride.

MTK · 08-30-2004, 02:23 PM

I forgot Morton

Redskins_P · 08-30-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Do we have anyone on the team that doesn't suck??

If this forum was running the team we would have run everyone outta town!

From what I've seen on the WP.net chopping block we have the likes of Ramsey, Jacobs, Betts, Gardner, Cartwright, Barrow and Bowen. Am I missing anyone? LOL

Have some patience guys, it's a long season, enjoy the ride.

Matty, you know that Bowen has to go.

08-29-2004, 12:33 PM	#31
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	that looks like total yards per game, thats different man, ur changing it up. last one tennessee was first... __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

08-29-2004, 04:18 PM	#36
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	kerry collins is a very good QB, much better than testes. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

08-29-2004, 03:26 PM	#32
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Ramsey doesn't remind me of any of the Q.B's that have emerged to play first string. Chad Hutchingson and Tom Brady definitely learned a great deal on the sidelines watching Testeverde and Bledsoe. The difference hear is unfortunately Ramsey inherited a team with an unstable coaching staff which expected him to run it out of the stable and we witnessed a massacre on a QB. Ramsey has the talent, but will he humble himself to learn from a real coach and an experienced QB directly or indirectly? That's the point he's at right now. If he takes over in the latter part of the season it will be disasterous because the competition get better.

08-29-2004, 06:21 PM	#37
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Collins is playing great in the Raider nation. Good arm, weak legs.

08-29-2004, 06:28 PM	#38
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	I think Ramsey gets dealt away next year for a better draft pick. A veteran QB is the direction this team has it's eyes set on. Brunell will be very successful under Gibbs if he only stays healthy.

08-29-2004, 07:03 PM	#39
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i doubt ramsey will be traded, gibbs already said he's the future, and mark should last long enough for him to get there.

08-30-2004, 08:30 AM	#41
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	i am gonna say this one time and one time only don't criticise Gibbs cause Ramsey sucks.

08-30-2004, 11:06 AM	#42
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	uhh, what's that in response to? and how can you say that when gibbs said its his fault himself lol and if your talking about the rams game, there were a lot more players than ramsey who screwed up...

08-30-2004, 11:54 AM	#43
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Do we have anyone on the team that doesn't suck?? If this forum was running the team we would have run everyone outta town! From what I've seen on the WP.net chopping block we have the likes of Ramsey, Jacobs, Betts, Gardner, Cartwright, Barrow and Bowen. Am I missing anyone? LOL Have some patience guys, it's a long season, enjoy the ride.

08-30-2004, 02:23 PM	#44
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I forgot Morton

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