Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination

[dmek25]

anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want

So we really don't know what this real change is do we.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want

What does that even mean? It sounds like you're just regurgitating some campaign slogan you heard somewhere.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What does that even mean? It sounds like you're just regurgitating some campaign slogan you heard somewhere.

Thats all they know about him.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What does that even mean? It sounds like you're just regurgitating some campaign slogan you heard somewhere.

No kidding. This stuff is why for the most part I try to stay away from the political threads around here. There are a lot of very well stated, interesting opinions, but some of the stuff makes my head hurt. I love talking politics, but I'd rather do it face to face with family and friends. I find more often than not online political discussions can turn into bar politics- a lot of shouting and force-feeding of view points.

[dmek25]

do you guys want the war? are you happy with the economy? are you happy with the United States energy policy? are you happy with our foreign policy? the one thing i do know is it will be status quo, if McCain gets elected. every time i hear someone like Obama speak about the middle class, im all ears. for some reason, it seems like one of this administrations goals has been to get rid of the middle class. i can gladly say i never voted for anyone with Bush as a last name

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by dmek25

do you guys want the war? are you happy with the economy? are you happy with the United States energy policy? are you happy with our foreign policy? the one thing i do know is it will be status quo, if McCain gets elected. every time i hear someone like Obama speak about the middle class, im all ears. for some reason, it seems like one of this administrations goals has been to get rid of the middle class. i can gladly say i never voted for anyone with Bush as a last name

Framing the issue as "who wants war?" is pretty rhetorical. The real question is whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are necessary. The former question is not even up for debate, the latter is tougher.

Also, I think it's pretty rhetorical to say that Bush and McCain have been fighting a war on the middle class. Those Dobbs-esque statements make my head hurt.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Framing the issue as "who wants war?" is pretty rhetorical. The real question is whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are necessary. The former question is not even up for debate, the latter is tougher.

Also, I think it's pretty rhetorical to say that Bush and McCain have been fighting a war on the middle class. Those Dobbs-esque statements make my head hurt.

Sounds like someone doesn't like Lou Dobbs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Sounds like someone doesn't like Lou Dobbs.

SGG stated a F Lou Dobbs thread a couple of years ago. And I couldn't agree more. The more I hear the guy talk the more annoyed I get.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

SGG stated a F Lou Dobbs thread a couple of years ago. And I couldn't agree more. The more I hear the guy talk the more annoyed I get.

My grandmother doesn't like him either.

I don't watch CNN enough to actually state an opinion on him, since I prefer MSNBC.

Care to get a little more in-depth about why you don't care for him? Anyone else feel free to pile on.

From what I've seen of him he comes off as being a little smarmy at times...

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by dmek25

do you guys want the war? are you happy with the economy? are you happy with the United States energy policy? are you happy with our foreign policy? the one thing i do know is it will be status quo, if McCain gets elected. every time i hear someone like Obama speak about the middle class, im all ears. for some reason, it seems like one of this administrations goals has been to get rid of the middle class. i can gladly say i never voted for anyone with Bush as a last name

Too bad all of Obama's policys are only going to make things worse.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

do you guys want the war? are you happy with the economy? are you happy with the United States energy policy? are you happy with our foreign policy? the one thing i do know is it will be status quo, if McCain gets elected. every time i hear someone like Obama speak about the middle class, im all ears. for some reason, it seems like one of this administrations goals has been to get rid of the middle class. i can gladly say i never voted for anyone with Bush as a last name

If your all ears when Obama speaks then what are these changes that he is talking about.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If your all ears when Obama speaks then what are these changes that he is talking about.

Health care and early education reform. I'm not 100% certain where he intends to get the money from, possibly this unnecessary that is being waged in Middle East, though. (That is no way meant to be sarcasm, I actually don't know where he intends to get the funding)

Just so you know, I'm going to get involved in this discussion, I'm not talking about politics on this board.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

what are these changes that he is talking about.

What Changes!??!?! Dude! Where have you been? Do you really expect me to believe that you have never listened to one of Obama's speeches? He's made a bunch of them! Hey, if you've been busy or whatever then...........You have an internet connection, just Google Obama and change. You'll have to type it in like this:

Obama Change

Then You'll get a entire list of them!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Miller101

What Changes!??!?! Dude! Where have you been? Do you really expect me to believe that you have never listened to one of Obama's speeches? He's made a bunch of them! Hey, if you've been busy or whatever then...........You have an internet connection, just Google Obama and change. You'll have to type it in like this:

Obama Change

Then You'll get a entire list of them!

The reason I ask is because people who back him and say its time for a change nver answer the question as to what or how he is going to change anything. I can answer the question for Obama supporters. Obama thinks that Americia is great because of goverment and not great because of its people. So to make Americia better he want to do a massive expansion of goverment so we are a more dependent upon goverment. The problem is that the goverment seems to mess up every program they develope and it always cost 3, 4 , 5 times more than planned. Just look at social programs and how they have failed over and over again but we just keep throwing money into them and getting the same results. I am taxed to death and I do not need any more failed goverment programs for them to raise my taxes again and again as their cost go up and up. I could go on but this should show how I feel. We live in a Americia and I'm not attacking Obama supports I'm just stating why I do not support him.