Another Pick In The 3rd Round?

drew54 · 03-05-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

i'll update the complete draft order with these and newly traded picks this weekend.

When are they officially announced. That seems like putting the cart ahead of the horse.

BeastsoftheNFCeast · 03-05-2008, 12:35 PM

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it would be great for us to get another 3rd rounder, but because its a compensatory pick, its really more like a 4th, so we really have just a normal draft.

SmootSmack · 03-05-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it would be great for us to get another 3rd rounder, but because its a compensatory pick, its really more like a 4th, so we really have just a normal draft.

Except it's like a high 4th round pick, as opposed to one late in the round where we would be originally slotted

freddyg12 · 03-05-2008, 12:48 PM

It should only be good news in the end. It sounds like this guy is on track enough that we can say we'll at least get something. I'd be happy w/1 7th round pick, but if we get a 3rd it would be major. I know it's a high 4th in essence, but that's great in a year when we don't have a 4th.

Plus, players in those rounds are high value and usually about 50/50 in terms of making the team. I think having that pick would greatly impact the strategy the front office might take, as it gives them flexibility. e.g, I could see them picking 2 o linemen w/the 3rd round picks & opting not to take a highly rated o linemen in the 1st or 2nd.

Or, if a decent qb is availabe w/that last 3rd round pick, e.g. Ainge or Booty, I could see them nabbing him.

jsarno · 03-05-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it would be great for us to get another 3rd rounder, but because its a compensatory pick, its really more like a 4th, so we really have just a normal draft.

Even if this pick made it a "normal draft", so what? We're still getting our pick back. I'd personally rather have the last pick in the 3rd round, than the 21st pick in the 4th. There are plenty of teams that do a lot of trading to get up 21 spaces.

freddyg12 · 03-05-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Even if this pick made it a "normal draft", so what? We're still getting our pick back. I'd personally rather have the last pick in the 3rd round, than the 21st pick in the 4th. There are plenty of teams that do a lot of trading to get up 21 spaces.

no doubt, 21 slots is a pricey jump, would cost a pick to make a deal to move up that far in the 4th round.

Counter-Tre · 03-05-2008, 02:00 PM

From Bleacherreport.com

The Washington Redskins’ new found commitment to finding talent through the draft may get a lot easier.

According to a source, very good at predicting which teams will get which compensatory picks in the upcoming NFL draft, the Redskins may receive as many as three extra selections in the April 26-27 draft. One might be a third-round pick.

Compensatory picks are awarded based on a complex formula devised by the NFL. Colonel Sanders did not guard his secret recipe any more closely than the NFL guards the exact formula.

We do know that it’s based on the net value of unrestricted free agents lost and free agents signed during the previous offseason. That net value is determined by three factors: the value of the contract signed, the amount of playing time the player got, and the player’s postseason awards.

So, a Pro Bowl player who signed a fat contract and started 16 games is worth more in the equation than one who signed a middling deal and spent half the year on injured reserve.

Beyond that, the details are unknown. Based off of the little that is known and extrapolating patterns from the picks awarded in the past, a few intrepid souls have cracked the code and have done a remarkable job in predicting the selections.

One of these niche within a niche experts goes by Adam, and he prefers to post the results of his research on various message boards. His forum may be unorthodox, but his accuracy is excellent when it comes to predicting the compensatory picks.

He took the facts and figures regarding Derrick Dockery, T. J. Duckett, Warrick Holdman, Kenny Wright (the qualifying free agents the Redskins lost), and London Fletcher (the sole qualifying FA the Skins signed), applied his interpretation of the formula, and came up with one compensatory pick following the third round and two more following the seventh round for the Redskins.

The three extra picks would give the Redskins nine selections in the 2008 draft. They have six of their seven original picks (the fourth round pick is going to Denver in the last installment of the Duckett trade).

Washington hasn’t had that many picks in a draft since 2002, when they had 10. Before that, you have to go back to 1993 when they also had nine (in an eight-round draft).

A team can’t trade a compensatory pick, but having some can make it easier to deal off some of your original selections. Vinny Cerrato has indicated that the team would like to hold on to all of its picks but this would give them some flexibility should a beneficial opportunity come along.

The official announcement of the compensatory picks will be made at the owners’ meeting in late March.

GMScud · 03-05-2008, 03:26 PM

This whole compensatory pick formula thing makes my head spin a bit. I was a little bummed to see the Eagles look to be getting an extra 4th and 5th, but if we do in fact end up with another 3rd, that's 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Man oh man, this is our best opportunity to build through the draft in years. If we get both extra projected 7th rounders as well, that would be 9 draft picks. I feel like I'm in bizzarro land, saying "9 draft picks" and "Redskins" in the same sentence.

SmootSmack · 03-05-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

From Bleacherreport.com

The Washington Redskins’ new found commitment to finding talent through the draft may get a lot easier.

According to a source, very good at predicting which teams will get which compensatory picks in the upcoming NFL draft, the Redskins may receive as many as three extra selections in the April 26-27 draft. One might be a third-round pick.

Compensatory picks are awarded based on a complex formula devised by the NFL. Colonel Sanders did not guard his secret recipe any more closely than the NFL guards the exact formula.

We do know that it’s based on the net value of unrestricted free agents lost and free agents signed during the previous offseason. That net value is determined by three factors: the value of the contract signed, the amount of playing time the player got, and the player’s postseason awards.

So, a Pro Bowl player who signed a fat contract and started 16 games is worth more in the equation than one who signed a middling deal and spent half the year on injured reserve.

Beyond that, the details are unknown. Based off of the little that is known and extrapolating patterns from the picks awarded in the past, a few intrepid souls have cracked the code and have done a remarkable job in predicting the selections.

One of these niche within a niche experts goes by Adam, and he prefers to post the results of his research on various message boards. His forum may be unorthodox, but his accuracy is excellent when it comes to predicting the compensatory picks.

He took the facts and figures regarding Derrick Dockery, T. J. Duckett, Warrick Holdman, Kenny Wright (the qualifying free agents the Redskins lost), and London Fletcher (the sole qualifying FA the Skins signed), applied his interpretation of the formula, and came up with one compensatory pick following the third round and two more following the seventh round for the Redskins.

The three extra picks would give the Redskins nine selections in the 2008 draft. They have six of their seven original picks (the fourth round pick is going to Denver in the last installment of the Duckett trade).

Washington hasn’t had that many picks in a draft since 2002, when they had 10. Before that, you have to go back to 1993 when they also had nine (in an eight-round draft).

A team can’t trade a compensatory pick, but having some can make it easier to deal off some of your original selections. Vinny Cerrato has indicated that the team would like to hold on to all of its picks but this would give them some flexibility should a beneficial opportunity come along.

The official announcement of the compensatory picks will be made at the owners’ meeting in late March.

Just in case people are unsure. The person who wrote this article on BleacherReport.com is Rich Tandler (self-proclaimed official Redskins historian), and his "source" is the blog that I linked to in the first post.

I just don't want people thinking that multiple sources are saying we'll get these picks. Everyone is just referring to "Adam" who does have a stellar track record with this.

By the way, for you aspiring sports writers out there bleacherreport.com is a good place to sharpen your skills

Bleacher Report

That Guy · 03-05-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

This whole compensatory pick formula thing makes my head spin a bit. I was a little bummed to see the Eagles look to be getting an extra 4th and 5th, but if we do in fact end up with another 3rd, that's 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Man oh man, this is our best opportunity to build through the draft in years. If we get both extra projected 7th rounders as well, that would be 9 draft picks. I feel like I'm in bizzarro land, saying "9 draft picks" and "Redskins" in the same sentence.

the eagles lead the universe in comp picks. they ALWAYS get a bunch of them. baltimore gets a lot of them too.

SkinsFanSince91 · 03-05-2008, 05:06 PM

This would entirely change the complexion of the draft.

I dont even know where to start. We can get double up on a postion in either rounds of the 3rd and 7th.

2 wr's in the 3rd
2 Dlineman
2 Olineman
2 db's

Its frickin Christmas!!

SkinsFanSince91 · 03-06-2008, 01:20 PM

When do we know what extra picks we have?

MTK · 03-06-2008, 01:31 PM

End of March.

SkinsFanSince91 · 03-06-2008, 01:52 PM

OK, I think we will be good by that point.

The real question is now, with our new projected picks, what do we do with the first and second round if we have TWO 3rd rounders?

That Guy · 03-06-2008, 02:41 PM

same thing as before.

DE/CB (depending on whos there), DT (laws), S (zbikowski), DE/CB (whichever we missed), OT (zuttah), DE (hardie), WR/ST (monk), K (coutu), LB (??? depth)

in the first it'd be DRC, harvey, merling, mcklevin, etc... hopefully one hit there.

in the third you got guys like dingle and ellis at DE and guys like godfrey at CB (draftscout lists king in the 3rd too, which i agree with and consider a value, some boards have him in the 1st though, which makes no sense).

03-05-2008, 12:35 PM	#32
BeastsoftheNFCeast Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 331	Re: Another Pick In The 3rd Round? Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it would be great for us to get another 3rd rounder, but because its a compensatory pick, its really more like a 4th, so we really have just a normal draft.

03-05-2008, 12:48 PM	#34
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Another Pick In The 3rd Round? It should only be good news in the end. It sounds like this guy is on track enough that we can say we'll at least get something. I'd be happy w/1 7th round pick, but if we get a 3rd it would be major. I know it's a high 4th in essence, but that's great in a year when we don't have a 4th. Plus, players in those rounds are high value and usually about 50/50 in terms of making the team. I think having that pick would greatly impact the strategy the front office might take, as it gives them flexibility. e.g, I could see them picking 2 o linemen w/the 3rd round picks & opting not to take a highly rated o linemen in the 1st or 2nd. Or, if a decent qb is availabe w/that last 3rd round pick, e.g. Ainge or Booty, I could see them nabbing him.

03-05-2008, 02:00 PM	#37
Counter-Tre Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Venice Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 345	Re: Another Pick In The 3rd Round? From Bleacherreport.com The Washington Redskins’ new found commitment to finding talent through the draft may get a lot easier. According to a source, very good at predicting which teams will get which compensatory picks in the upcoming NFL draft, the Redskins may receive as many as three extra selections in the April 26-27 draft. One might be a third-round pick. Compensatory picks are awarded based on a complex formula devised by the NFL. Colonel Sanders did not guard his secret recipe any more closely than the NFL guards the exact formula. We do know that it’s based on the net value of unrestricted free agents lost and free agents signed during the previous offseason. That net value is determined by three factors: the value of the contract signed, the amount of playing time the player got, and the player’s postseason awards. So, a Pro Bowl player who signed a fat contract and started 16 games is worth more in the equation than one who signed a middling deal and spent half the year on injured reserve. Beyond that, the details are unknown. Based off of the little that is known and extrapolating patterns from the picks awarded in the past, a few intrepid souls have cracked the code and have done a remarkable job in predicting the selections. One of these niche within a niche experts goes by Adam, and he prefers to post the results of his research on various message boards. His forum may be unorthodox, but his accuracy is excellent when it comes to predicting the compensatory picks. He took the facts and figures regarding Derrick Dockery, T. J. Duckett, Warrick Holdman, Kenny Wright (the qualifying free agents the Redskins lost), and London Fletcher (the sole qualifying FA the Skins signed), applied his interpretation of the formula, and came up with one compensatory pick following the third round and two more following the seventh round for the Redskins. The three extra picks would give the Redskins nine selections in the 2008 draft. They have six of their seven original picks (the fourth round pick is going to Denver in the last installment of the Duckett trade). Washington hasn’t had that many picks in a draft since 2002, when they had 10. Before that, you have to go back to 1993 when they also had nine (in an eight-round draft). A team can’t trade a compensatory pick, but having some can make it easier to deal off some of your original selections. Vinny Cerrato has indicated that the team would like to hold on to all of its picks but this would give them some flexibility should a beneficial opportunity come along. The official announcement of the compensatory picks will be made at the owners’ meeting in late March.

03-05-2008, 03:26 PM	#38
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: Another Pick In The 3rd Round? This whole compensatory pick formula thing makes my head spin a bit. I was a little bummed to see the Eagles look to be getting an extra 4th and 5th, but if we do in fact end up with another 3rd, that's 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Man oh man, this is our best opportunity to build through the draft in years. If we get both extra projected 7th rounders as well, that would be 9 draft picks. I feel like I'm in bizzarro land, saying "9 draft picks" and "Redskins" in the same sentence. __________________ Tardy

03-05-2008, 05:06 PM	#41
SkinsFanSince91 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 368	Re: Another Pick In The 3rd Round? This would entirely change the complexion of the draft. I dont even know where to start. We can get double up on a postion in either rounds of the 3rd and 7th. 2 wr's in the 3rd 2 Dlineman 2 Olineman 2 db's Its frickin Christmas!! __________________ http://zstiojar.edu.pl/68560

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03-06-2008, 01:52 PM	#44
SkinsFanSince91 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 368	Re: Another Pick In The 3rd Round? OK, I think we will be good by that point. The real question is now, with our new projected picks, what do we do with the first and second round if we have TWO 3rd rounders? __________________ http://zstiojar.edu.pl/68560

03-06-2008, 02:41 PM	#45
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Another Pick In The 3rd Round? same thing as before. DE/CB (depending on whos there), DT (laws), S (zbikowski), DE/CB (whichever we missed), OT (zuttah), DE (hardie), WR/ST (monk), K (coutu), LB (??? depth) in the first it'd be DRC, harvey, merling, mcklevin, etc... hopefully one hit there. in the third you got guys like dingle and ellis at DE and guys like godfrey at CB (draftscout lists king in the 3rd too, which i agree with and consider a value, some boards have him in the 1st though, which makes no sense).

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