Game Positives and Negatives

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by CRT3

Hey this was my view on positives and negatives. I am not always correct but I was there and this is what I saw. The starting o-line did a good job considering it was preseason and they were running a vanilla offense. If they were bad pick 2-3 plays and tell me what was so bad. And if all 11 guys on the defense know where the ball is headed to on the snap via a run, execution won't matter. And refering to the Superbowl, if you remember we went up top on more then one occasion. Denver's safteys did not know whether to press the line or hang in 2 deep. Confusion at the point of attack is what makes the Air Correyl offense work. In fact they even ran the Charley hitch pattern twice on Saturday. But this is vanilla or simple as compared to regular season.

Fine. Fair enough. I'm glad somebody's more optimistic. But it's always been my nature to be more of the opposite. Recent Redskin history since about, oh, 1993 has the tendency to do that to you.

If you want 2 or 3 bad plays, how about these: Clinton Portis ran with the starting unit for 15 yards on 5 carries with the longest gain going for 9 yards. That means the other 4 rushes combined for just 6 yards. How about those?

And though this has been a common theme among many of the members here today, I seriously doubt that "all 11 guys on the defense know where the ball is headed..." I mean, come on. I know Gibbs isn't tipping his hand for the exhibition games, but don't you believe that he has the ability to mix it up even when he's careful not to give anything away? Seriously, did Gibbs hand John Fox a script of the offensive plays he was going to run? Just where is the proof that the defense 'knew every play before it was coming' ???

Regarding the Super Bowl, yes, Gibbs called for more than a few bombs. But Timmy Smith did happen to break the record, and still holds it for rushing yards in The Big Game. By the 4th quarter, my great-grandma knew all we were going to do was run, run, run. I have a feeling Denver did too. But guess what? They still couldn't stop it. I noticed you neglected to respond to my point about Michael Irvin, which further backs up my argument. Like I said, he told the corners what routes he was going to run -- and he still beat them.

Look, in my heart of hearts, I'm sure Gibbs will turn this ship around. By the 4th or 5th preseason game, we should start seeing glimpses of what this offense should be capable of -- a punishing running attack and pinpoint passing for big yardage downfield. I just don't see that right now. If you do, that's great.

Just pass me whatever you're drinking.

[Redskins_P]

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
If you want 2 or 3 bad plays, how about these: Clinton Portis ran with the starting unit for 15 yards on 5 carries with the longest gain going for 9 yards. That means the other 4 rushes combined for just 6 yards. How about those?

I think Portis needs more than 5 carries before he really gets going. The o-line is still learning this new system which is the exact opposite of Spurriers. That being said....the line needs to get their timing, and assignments together before they can really start opening up holes for Portis. I noticed that lines timing was really off in the first two games so can't blame Portis for that.

Beemnseven, I know how you feel. I tend to get that feeling at times too, but you have to be optimistic and believe that Gibbs will make adjustments and this thing will turn around soon. Come on man.....take a sip of kool aid.

[MTK]

Well I guess we're headed for another 5-11 season because the offense isn't working after 2 preseason games.

We should pick up this conversation in week 8 and see where we stand then.

Picking apart systems and individual performances in the preseason is a waste of time and 9 times out of 10 isn't indicative of how the regular season will pan out.

[JWsleep]

It's august. What else are we gonna do? j/k!

Thomas Boswell wrote a good column a few weeks ago about how even the most level headed skins fan reacts wildly to every twist and turn in preseason. It's just the price of loving the Burgundy and Gold (not to say that if you don't worry, you don't love!!!). I actually fall asleep worrying about the o-line and the QBs. And we haven't even played the 3rd of 5 preseason games....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

It's august. What else are we gonna do? j/k!

Thomas Boswell wrote a good column a few weeks ago about how even the most level headed skins fan reacts wildly to every twist and turn in preseason. It's just the price of loving the Burgundy and Gold (not to say that if you don't worry, you don't love!!!). I actually fall asleep worrying about the o-line and the QBs. And we haven't even played the 3rd of 5 preseason games....

I know, of course it's fun to break this stuff down, after the long offseason we're just beggin' for this stuff! I'm just sayin' we also need to keep things in perspective. Championships aren't won in August.

[JWsleep]

I hear ya, Matty. Anyway, the cowroids lost 18-0, so we've gotta feel at least a little good! :thumb:

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If you want 2 or 3 bad plays, how about these: Clinton Portis ran with the starting unit for 15 yards on 5 carries with the longest gain going for 9 yards. That means the other 4 rushes combined for just 6 yards. How about those?

OK I will answer all of your paragraphs one by one. 1st of all a healthy debate is fine. Preseason, Season and off season are all game for me. Remember I picked them to go 16-0.

So what did the line do that was so bad on those 4 plays? 1 of them Ramsey fumbled and barely got the ball to Portis. Broken play should not count against the line but agaisnt the quarterback center exchange. So we are down to explain why the line was bad on 3 plays. If I read correctly what I saw Portis cut back or beat the line to the whole. They ran 2 running plays with diferent motions. Gut or dive between the tackle and guard or the counter. That was it. So if the linebackers and Safties follow the tackle movement it is easy for all 11 men to attack the runner. Unless you saw a different play this offense was vanilla. Understandable since the goal is to win season games. Technique is the goal for all of the players. One step at a time to 16-0

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Regarding the Super Bowl, yes, Gibbs called for more than a few bombs. But Timmy Smith did happen to break the record, and still holds it for rushing yards in The Big Game. By the 4th quarter, my great-grandma knew all we were going to do was run, run, run. I have a feeling Denver did too. But guess what? They still couldn't stop it. I noticed you neglected to respond to my point about Michael Irvin, which further backs up my argument. Like I said, he told the corners what routes he was going to run -- and he still beat them.

There defense was real weak. The key to them getting to that Super Bowl was Elway who ran and scrambled his way there. Thanks to Coach Byner we got to face Denver's defense. We sealed Elway up with The Spy (Alvin Walton) and took controll of the pathetic defense of Denvers.

Irvin???? Your a Dallas fan? Irvin never crushed the Skins and how do you know what was said on the field other then Irvin telling people what he said. Irvin was good and big. Accross the middle with his size and Aikman tossing him the ball. Did he really tell Darrel Green which way he was going? I don't think so, as Darrel pretty much shut him down. But like all corners he got beat on a few.

[That Guy]

redskins.com and espn mentioned they all ran 3 types of running plays, that portis right now is faster to the hole than his o-linemen/blockers, and none of the runs were to the outside, so it'd be pretty easy to figure out that you're bum rushing centerfield.

but i think the bigger problem than vanilla offense is really the turnover. a million new players and coaches trying to get everything together and get on the same page. I notice you haven't said much about that though... I don't think the QBs suck, i think the offense needs more time, but i don't think the vanilla offense helps the team... its a good way to get tape and evaluate players, but its NOT a good way to score points (no misdirection/miscues to the defense, not much variation, etc).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

It's august. What else are we gonna do? j/k!

Thomas Boswell wrote a good column a few weeks ago about how even the most level headed skins fan reacts wildly to every twist and turn in preseason. It's just the price of loving the Burgundy and Gold (not to say that if you don't worry, you don't love!!!). I actually fall asleep worrying about the o-line and the QBs. And we haven't even played the 3rd of 5 preseason games....

Then a little Johnnie Walker and all your worries go away, right JWsleep?

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

Then a little Johnnie Walker and all your worries go away, right JWsleep?

LOL. How'd you know? The only question is, Red or Black?