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Old 01-10-2008, 03:23 PM   #31
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Re: May the Schwartz be with you?

I too think this is all smoke and mirrors. They'll annouce it in due time. Unofficially, I wouldn't be surprised if the players already know that it's Williams.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:24 PM   #32
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I too think this is all smoke and mirrors. They'll annouce it in due time. Unofficially, I wouldn't be surprised if the players already know that it's Williams.
I hope you're right. They certainly are doing everything they can to promote uncertainty.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:26 PM   #33
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They are playing games with the media, they are making people like JLC speculate all kinds of different scenarios. They already know that GW is the man, for political correctness reasons they have to act the part and throw people for a loop. Just look at us fans.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:29 PM   #34
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They are playing games with the media, they are making people like JLC speculate all kinds of different scenarios. They already know that GW is the man, for political correctness reasons they have to act the part and throw people for a loop. Just look at us fans.

If they are playing games, they are doing it with the wrong guy. Schwartz is not a "minority".
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:32 PM   #35
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If they are playing games, they are doing it with the wrong guy. Schwartz is not a "minority".
They still need to interview a minority coach, possibly Singletary (whom I like a lot) one interview at a time.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:40 PM   #36
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If you hire Schwartz and Williams leaves, you at least have some semblance of continuity since you're using the same system. Though you certainly lose Jerry Gray as your secondary coach if Grilliams leaves. But you're still in the end, running a system congruent with the roster we have (and will have for the next three years).

The real kicker will be if Saunders leaves. If Saunders jets, we'll be starting over on offense. Which would TOTALLY kill us. Then again, Saunders makes a lot of coin, so if he's not up for a HC job, he'll probably stay.
Yeah, that's indeed a big issue, as JC was reported in the Post this morning as having expressed fear that the HC change might ultimately trigger a series of changes that could result in him having to learn yet another offensive system. Both Saunders and Williams were hand-picked by Gibbs. Gibbs is now gone, and if Williams doesn't get the job, I think most of us agree that he's gone too. That might make the job less attractive for Saunders, or, alternatively, the exiting of both the HC and D-coordinator might have management thinking of a complete makeover. The Post also indicated yesterday that the HC hiring might have the organization thinking more along the lines of a long-term future. This strikes me as there being a possibility that Danny might actually be entertaining--cover the children's ears--REBUILDING. I know I'll get slammed for even suggesting that the Danny could EVER, or would EVER, consider such a thing. But Danny knows that this team ended the year as cohesive a group as one could be. The extent of the fracture created by Gibbs leaving, he knows, would be dependent on whether there is continuity (i.e., hiring or not hiring Williams). If he doesn't hire Williams, he takes two instrumental members of the leadership team from this tight knit group, and creates the possibility of Saunders leaving. Then he'd be talking about a complete makeover on the team, from both sides of the ball (in terms of new systems). And if he hopefully learned anything from his years here, he knows that new systems simply don't start working overnight. That is why I think there is that slightest of possibilities that, if he's considering not hiring Williams, he might actually consider some very deep changes to the roster and to build up.
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I think the team's actions say they don't intend to hire GW at all. I think that's wishful thinking on our part. Consider:

1) Bringing in Schwartz for an interview may mean they intend to interview him to be the DC and work UNDER Gregg Williams. But this would mean that JLC's "league sources" are wrong in saying Schwartz has been identified as a head coach candidate. And wouldn't it be wierd for Schwartz to come here to interview for a lateral move? Jeff Fisher and the Titans don't have to grant permission to let him interview for lateral moves.

2) JLC indicated in his blog that "team and league sources" indicated that the Skins are interested in Cowher. It seems Cowher doesn't want to coach yet. But if the team was really interested, that points to the team not being totally thrilled with Williams. Neither Cowher nor Schwartz are minorities, so they're not here to satisfy the Rooney rule. The fact that their names surfaced first tells me they're likely towards the top of Danny's list.

3) Gibbs is telling the media that the coaching search is Dan's decision and he respects that. He'll be there to advise Dan. Dan is saying "we'll go through a process." There's not much process to go through if you already think GW is your guy. And what motive is there to hide your feeling that GW is your guy? There's nothing to gain by hiding that sentiment and playing coy. He's under contract here already, and if you want to promote him, you just promote him. The fact that we haven't seen GW promoted at this point tells me Snyder is AT LEAST thinking about other candidates. And given that Cowher and Schwartz are now connected to the vacancy, if you ended up hiring GW, doesn't that say you're settling on him? After all, you knew what you had in GW, but you looked around at Cowher and Schwartz thinking you could do better. That's got to tell you that you're not thrilled with GW in the first place.

4) I guess it's possible Dan is throwing up major smokescreens and trying to confuse the media and throw people off the scent. But that seems like a conspiracy theory. Wouldn't Dan's time be better spent by actually trying to find a coach.

It's not going to be GW folks. I'm not sure if Gibbs agrees with that, though. Publicly, he's supporting his coaches, but he's not saying GW should be the next guy. He's saying Dan should go through the process and make the decision. It seems Gibbs may not see GW as head coach material. And if Gibbs thinks that, then I'm cool with the decision. If Gibbs is involved with this process, I feel good about his ability to identify the intangible leadership qualities a good coach has to have. And if that eschews GW, then I trust that call. But if Snyder is making this decision on his own, then I'm uncomfortable.

Fortunately, I think Snyder's listening to Gibbs. I hope.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:55 PM   #38
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I think this is all smoke and mirrors. They know it's going to be Gregg and all the coaches know it's going to be Gregg, but they aren't letting anyone on. I'm hoping that Joe discussed this with Dan during that conversation that lasted to 2 in the morning. I'm hoping that Joe and Dan talked to the coaches and let them know what was going to happen, or maybe no one knows but Gregg, Joe, and Dan. That they know Gregg is getting it but are pretty much saying to the media, "I'm not gonna tell, your feet smell, you ask me again and you can go to hell"

I'm hoping that's the way it's going to go. That Gregg will be named coach, but not until everyone proclaims that The Danny is going to sign whatever coach they want to say he will. Maybe Dan learned from Joe. Let's hope for our sakes.
Good post. i was thinking of starting a thread to pose the question: What does the Danny have to gain by fooling everyone & prolonging this? I thought that maybe he's trying to affect other teams in their hiring process, but what would be his gain?
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:57 PM   #39
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Good post. i was thinking of starting a thread to pose the question: What does the Danny have to gain by fooling everyone & prolonging this? I thought that maybe he's trying to affect other teams in their hiring process, but what would be his gain?
There is nothing to gain by doing that. I can't think of one reason why. It's a waste of a billionaire's time, and they view time as money.

He's not interested in GW.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:58 PM   #40
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If it is Schwartz, then "Yay Me!"

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/387819-post59.html

I am freakin' awesome. Every single one of you blasted me for it. But who's blastin' now bitches?! (see how lame it sounds when you say stuff like that?)
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:59 PM   #41
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Re: May the Schwartz be with you?

It's not so much of who's better out there right now. It's just that I can't think of any good reason why they wouldn't hire Gregg Williams. Every player I've heard speak about the coaching vacancy has publicly endorsed Gregg Williams.
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:00 PM   #42
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If it is Schwartz, then "Yay Me!"

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/387819-post59.html

I am freakin' awesome. Every single one of you blasted me for it. But who's blastin' now bitches?! (see how lame it sounds when you say stuff like that?)
How old is Schwartz? And if hired, do you think Wiliams stays or goes?
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:00 PM   #43
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If it is Schwartz, then "Yay Me!"

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/387819-post59.html

I am freakin' awesome. Every single one of you blasted me for it. But who's blastin' now bitches?! (see how lame it sounds when you say stuff like that?)
Now start a thread called "Told ya" with comment that says "see"
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It's not so much of who's better out there right now. It's just that I can't think of any good reason why they wouldn't hire Gregg Williams. Every player I've heard speak about the coaching vacancy has publicly endorsed Gregg Williams.
Do you think Snyder will listen to what his players think? To me it seems like he's not that kind of guy. I guess we'll wait and see.

Hey I want GW just as much as everyone does, but I think Schneed10 made some good points as to why its not going to be him.
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If it is Schwartz, then "Yay Me!"

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/387819-post59.html

I am freakin' awesome. Every single one of you blasted me for it. But who's blastin' now bitches?! (see how lame it sounds when you say stuff like that?)
You should start a whole thread!
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