Sean Taylor struggling???

riggoraider · 12-31-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin

Who on the defense was good this year? Stars need help to get things done becuase they cant do it all themselves. This is a terrible thread so what if the guy had an off year i think it reflects the defenses performance as a whole.

Why is it that when someone does not agree with someone elses opinion the whole thread becomes terrible?

dall-assblows · 12-31-2006, 06:44 PM

i just hope ST can turn it around.........

Pocket$ $traight · 12-31-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

is this really the same guy we drafted? last night was a microcosm of #21's season. out of position, bad tackling, poor pass coverage, and borderline cheap shots. how did he turn into Andre waters over night? i thought Taylor was well on his way to becoming a perennial pro bowler, but now he looks like a marginal NFL player, at best. any ideas on why? and lets keep focused on Taylors play, and not make excuses for a horrible overall defense. when in position to make plays, he just isn't getting it done

For the hundreth time. Why is he getting the blame when nobody on the defense is helping him?

When is a safety the cornerstone of a defense? I have never seen a good defense that is built around a safety.

Pocket$ $traight · 12-31-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by riggoraider

Why is it that when someone does not agree with someone elses opinion the whole thread becomes terrible?

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

#56fanatic · 12-31-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

is this really the same guy we drafted? last night was a microcosm of #21's season. out of position, bad tackling, poor pass coverage, and borderline cheap shots. how did he turn into Andre waters over night? i thought Taylor was well on his way to becoming a perennial pro bowler, but now he looks like a marginal NFL player, at best. any ideas on why? and lets keep focused on Taylors play, and not make excuses for a horrible overall defense. when in position to make plays, he just isn't getting it done

he has some great week people are ready to crown him the next Ronnie Lott, he has some questionable weeks and people think he's done. people on this site never seem to stop amazing me. Haven't you seen the entire defence, thats d line, linebackers and secondary completely suck this year!! We were the worst D in the league. that is the fault of every single person from the top the bottom on that side of the ball. To single out one guy (other than Holdman, he is really that bad!!) is crazy. Maybe hes out of position because he is trying to make a play. this is his 3rd year. Every person has struggled this year. For two years he has played amazingly, our D has played great. We had a bad year. get over it, move on. season is over! maybe next year , right??

GMScud · 12-31-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dall-assblows

are you saying sean taylor isn't a good football player? b/c if you are then that is stupid.

Sean Taylor was not a good football player this year. Bottom line. A few big hits sure, but more memorable to me are repetitive personal foul penalties, poor tackling, and blown coverage.

He is a sick athelete with TONS of potential, and he played very well last season. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see the guy live up to his hype and draft status. But it's not good to regress in your third year.

The poor defensive play obviously isn't the sole responsibility of #21. We can't stop the run or pass, we can't force turnovers, we routinely give up huge plays, and the coaching was certainly lacking as well. But Taylor no doubt contributed to the overall stench of a miserable defensive season.

riggoraider · 12-31-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?

Pocket$ $traight · 12-31-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by riggoraider

Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?

Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.

dmek25 · 12-31-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

sorry that my football knowledge isn't as great as the magnificent grimreapers, but I'm glad you want to talk about fundamentals. isn't tackling a football fundamental? right now, i don't think Sean Taylor could tackle me. isn't pass coverage keeping the opposition in front of you? Taylor still trying to peek into the backfield, as every tom, dick, and harry goes blowing by him. and the biggest fundamental a safety learns in pop warner, is don't let anyone behind you. anyone have a guess on how many times this has happened this season? the defense being horrible isn't all Sean Taylors fault. but no way he gets a free pass. he was just as bad as everyone else

riggoraider · 12-31-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.

I agree with some of your points especially the one that stated Taylor would not be in the top 10 in tackles if it was not for our play up front.

If we find a good CB this off season to go along with Springs and if Prioleau plays good strong safety we will probably be looking for Taylor to be more agressive against the running game next season so some of his duties will be to stop runningbacks. I think that if he plays with "controlled aggression" he could be mentioned in the same breath with player like Ed Reed and Troy Palamalou.

Longtimefan · 12-31-2006, 08:16 PM

I'm looking at a player who this year, has attempted to over compensate for changes, as well as injuries to a secondary which as a whole, did not perform to the best of their abilities. He has not performed at the pace of the previous two years, but there are varying reasons for it. Sean will bounce back when we establish a little more stability around him, and he has the opportunity to play with the same group for an extended period of time. Let's face it, he's had to play next to no less than three different players this season. He therefore found himself pressing, trying to do too much, being out of position, and missing tackles, feeling more of a responsibility to make plays.

SouperMeister · 12-31-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

For the hundreth time. Why is he getting the blame when nobody on the defense is helping him?

When is a safety the cornerstone of a defense? I have never seen a good defense that is built around a safety.

Great point. Taylor has all-pro abilitity, but I believe it will only be drawn out if we get more consistent play from the front seven. We should probably be in position to draft Gaines Adams as a stud DE with the first round pick. We should probably look try to catch another Golsten with the latter picks and address the MLB deficiencey thru free agency. Once we address the issues up front, Taylor will re-emerge as the playmaker we saw in his first two seasons.

irish · 12-31-2006, 09:04 PM

ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.

SouperMeister · 12-31-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.

I feel the jury is still out - Taylor was on the verge of superstardom last season. Let's see what he looks like next year after Gibbs addresses issues on the front seven.

Pocket$ $traight · 01-01-2007, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.

ST is a monster. Don't compare him to LA. First and foremost he isn't hurt. Second, he is a freak of nature and his time to shine is much shorter than LA's. Take a deep breath, ST has everything in front of him. He is currently on a bad team trying to find it's way. Next year will be different!!!

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Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: sean taylor??? I'm looking at a player who this year, has attempted to over compensate for changes, as well as injuries to a secondary which as a whole, did not perform to the best of their abilities. He has not performed at the pace of the previous two years, but there are varying reasons for it. Sean will bounce back when we establish a little more stability around him, and he has the opportunity to play with the same group for an extended period of time. Let's face it, he's had to play next to no less than three different players this season. He therefore found himself pressing, trying to do too much, being out of position, and missing tackles, feeling more of a responsibility to make plays. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

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irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: sean taylor??? ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.

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