2-5 at the bye: time to make changes

[Darrell_Green_28]

yes i was right Coach Gibbs is also team president. so Coach Gibbs should veto saunders

Washington Redskins

[Citizens for 81]

The team fears that if the put Campbell in now they'll be sending the message that the season is over.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Citizens for 81

The team fears that if the put Campbell in now they'll be sending the message that the season is over.

while the message to the fans would be the season has just BEGUN.

[NYCSkin]

I have a change that I haven't heard advocated so much...How about Collins for Brunell now?

Give Collins--who knows the offense better than Brunell and Campbell--two weeks to get some timing down with the receivers. He's younger, less beat up, and Saunders trusts him more. Start him at Dallas and see how he does. However, should the team get to 7 losses--start Campbell...

[skinsguy]

I also think it's time to start Campbell considering playoff talk at this point is nothing more than a joke. However...starting Campbell doesn't fix our swiss cheese defense either. Wow...this season was over in record time as well...speechless!!!

[redrock-skins]

Originally Posted by Citizens for 81

The team fears that if the put Campbell in now they'll be sending the message that the season is over.

It is over! Let's not kid ourselves. Last year we were 5-6 when we made our run. We have to go 3-1 next month just to get to the same point we were last year!

[Citizens for 81]

Originally Posted by redrock-skins

It is over! Let's not kid ourselves. Last year we were 5-6 when we made our run. We have to go 3-1 next month just to get to the same point we were last year!

I know its over, but does the orginization have the balls to admit it and the skins would have to do better than 3-1 next month, they'll have to go 8-1 to have a decent shot at the wild-card.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

while the message to the fans would be the season has just BEGUN.

Classic! I love it!

Old Gibbs can't give up on the season? Funny he can't give up on a game either, he had a chance to give Campbell some playing time in the 4th and instead let Brunell hobble around the field, very entertaining. Then we are kicking fieldgoals AGAIN when we need 3 TD's, I do believe Gibbs has absolutly lost it. At this point I don't think gibbs knows if he's coming or going.

The 2 of them kind of remind me of Laurel and Hardy, Brunell is Stan Laurel of coarse because he has the same goofy smurk with the protruding chin.

[That Guy]

the truth is we don't have the personnel to make wide sweeping changes. arch was a huge mistake, carter was a big mistake, lloyd may or may not have been a mistake (can't tell when the QB is the bottleneck on offense).

start wynn, start vincent, start rocky, start campbell. those rookie DTs are good for depth only right now, everyone and their brother can run on them.

missing griffin and lemar REALLY hurt our defense, and carlos coul have helped. khary campbell is not an NFL linebacker, and he's not really a good backup either. holdman, carter, and archuleta are invisible... we needd 11 guys playing defense, not 8. wynn is very average, but i'll take that over "look, i have one-move" carter any day (carter did have 1 nice shed and tackle for loss today, btu that's not enough).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

I have a change that I haven't heard advocated so much...How about Collins for Brunell now?

Give Collins--who knows the offense better than Brunell and Campbell--two weeks to get some timing down with the receivers. He's younger, less beat up, and Saunders trusts him more. Start him at Dallas and see how he does. However, should the team get to 7 losses--start Campbell...

why? we already know collins isn't an NFL starter (and he's OLD), so we should see if the young guy is.

[DirtBagZ]

At 2-5, it is time for the whole organization to realize that it is time to rebuild. There are no quick fixes as far as the defence goes. I am not big Warrick Holdman fan, benching him for Rocky, is not going to turn around the 'D'. This team has too many holes to fill, I cannot recall what post, or thread, but someone mentioned that the lines need to be rebuilt, and I agree, with that sentiment whole-heartedly. As much as I hate to admit it the Cowboys and Giants have gotten it right, Dallas rebuilt there defensive front seven through the draft, and the Giants have built their O-line through the draft. It goes without saying that the Eagles have it right, in that their team is soundly built through the draft.

It is hard to say just what exactly is the problem with the Redskins, this season's inconsitent play and the penalties are particularly frustraing as fan, since this is not the type of play, one would expect from a team of Joe Gibb's 'Redskins' and character guys. I think Thomas Boswell, of the Washington Post, was on to something with his column this morning, when he questioned the heart of the team. Boswell mentioned,

"Some of us remember Gibb's old teams up close, and how they carried themselves in the tunnel before a game, responded to the challenges to start the second half and even how furious their faces looked in a losing locker room. Any resemblance between these Redskins and those Redskins is purely coincidental."

Time and again we see threads about how 'talented' the Redskins are, and how can such a 'talented' team have this type of record. These various threads over the years about how 'talented' the Redskins are yet their performance has not been the same, is the defining mark of the SnyderSkins. Because like Boswell, I remember those teams, I grew up watching those teams and I suspect that is why I still like this team and root for it. It is difficult to watch the team not do well with Gibbs as the coach, having witnessed those glorious teams that won three Super Bowls.

[Hog1]

On the postive side of things, Skins fans have a short memory (both for good and bad events). The sins of the past will be forgiven when progress (real or imagined) is seen. That having been said, as already stated, 2007 season starts today. All the usual changes beginning with JC are implemented. Use the remaining season to evaluate the +'s, and -'s of the 2006 offseason, and what options are available. Evaluate the players and coaches, age, effectiveness, contracts, etc., and who needs to go or stay and what can be done about it. What works and what doesn't. Now the hard part................make it happen!
ONLY 10 MONTHS TO PRE-SEASON!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

With 5 losses I think it's safe to say the playoffs are out of the picture barring an epic turnaround.

Not that I think it's going to make a dramatic difference this year, but I think it's time to start Campbell and start building towards next year. We need to get an idea if this kid can play. Let him take his lumps and get some game experience.

Get some of the youngers guys in there too like McIntosh.

I agree, and the whole idea is not whether he'll make a drastic difference, but whether this guy can actually play at this level. The sooner we find out the better. He may not be the answer at all, we may still have to look elsewhere for the solution, but we can use these nine games to guage where we're at with Jason. Gibbs continues to say Brunell gives us the best chance to win, but the question remains, to win what? None of us have seen Jason play with the first team unit, and until I do, I'm going to put all my opinions on hold.

[Jamaican'Skin]

DirtBagZ went into this but I want to look at it further. The heart that this team seems to be putting into each side of the ball is ridiculous. I see guys out there just going thru the motions. No matter how bad Brunnel maybe, if guys were putting more into it, we would have a winning record.

I don't know what's gone wrong with the nasty D from last year, and I don't know why the O just can't get some core plays and work together, but I think it has to deal with the heart and motivation of this team.

My solution? Well, for the rest of this year, no one is automatically granted a starting position. You work hard in practise and you get a spot. You don't, you won't. That should show the coaches who wants to be here, who out of the new group signed are core guys, and it will humble a lot of the players who are overpaid.

Apart from heart, I really think this team thought that everything would be handed to them after last year. They probably thought that they deserved to reach the playoffs this year, and that has also affected them.

Just my 2 cents

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

My solution? Well, for the rest of this year, no one is automatically granted a starting position. You work hard in practise and you get a spot. You don't, you won't. That should show the coaches who wants to be here, who out of the new group signed are core guys, and it will humble a lot of the players who are overpaid.

remember lavar? that's kinda how most teams work, but the talent divide between starters and backups is generally so great, that you just can't start whatever crappy player is working harder in practice.