Clemons or Arrington?

offiss · 01-24-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

easily arrington...all we know clemons can do is rush the passer really, and maybe cover some. run stopping, we havent seen it. lavar is a game changer

He most defiently can change a game, like in Seattle when they ran a run fake and hit their RB in the flat for a big firstdown while Arrington bit, only to see Williams yank him out of the lineup immediatly. whenever the opposing team needs a big play Arrington is willing to comply.

All Clemons can do is rush the passer? If Arrington could only do that.

jdlea · 01-24-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

He most defiently can change a game, like in Seattle when they ran a run fake and hit their RB in the flat for a big firstdown while Arrington bit, only to see Williams yank him out of the lineup immediatly. whenever the opposing team needs a big play Arrington is willing to comply.

All Clemons can do is rush the passer? If Arrington could only do that.

Not like that misdirection to Marcus Washington's side to Mack Strong. He was definitely in position on that play, that's why Mack Strong picked up his best run of his professional career. How come only LaVar gets blamed when "big" plays happen? Who was screwing up the D against Denver and Kansas City when LaVar was watching the game?

offiss · 01-24-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

Not like that misdirection to Marcus Washington's side to Mack Strong. He was definitely in position on that play, that's why Mack Strong picked up his best run of his professional career. How come only LaVar gets blamed when "big" plays happen? Who was screwing up the D against Denver and Kansas City when LaVar was watching the game?

Simple, one is a habitual screw up on the field, and the other is a constant playmaker, there is a difference, obviously Williams thinks so to because I didn't see him yank Washington.

Lets not get into this Arrington, Washington comparison, it's just to embarrising for Lavar.

jdlea · 01-24-2006, 06:49 PM

gibbsisgod · 01-24-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Simple, one is a habitual screw up on the field, and the other is a constant playmaker, there is a difference, obviously Williams thinks so to because I didn't see him yank Washington.

Lets not get into this Arrington, Washington comparison, it's just to embarrising for Lavar.

lavar couldn't hold marcus' jock. he gets less pub. and is ten times the lb

Pocket$ $traight · 01-24-2006, 02:06 PM

Well if the guy was a two time pro-bowler before he got here and a two time pro-bowler after he played here do you blame the player or the coaches.

Given the swiss cheese "defenses" under Spurrier, I would blame the coaches. I remember going to the Tampa Bay game when they still had Keyshawn. The Bucs ran the same play three times in a row (I was literally in the last row behind the Bucs at the time and I could see the whole field if you know what I mean). It was a simple 3 receiver set and they put one wideout in motion going right to left setting up in the slot. First play, first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Second play first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Third play, Keyshawn fakes that he will turn around goes to the post and gets a 41 yard TD ("covered" by Bowen). I was beside myself.

I don't think that a lot of people realize how far they have come in two years. The defense under Spurrier made you want to throw up.

Big C · 01-24-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Well if the guy was a two time pro-bowler before he got here and a two time pro-bowler after he played here do you blame the player or the coaches.

Given the swiss cheese "defenses" under Spurrier, I would blame the coaches. I remember going to the Tampa Bay game when they still had Keyshawn. The Bucs ran the same play three times in a row (I was literally in the last row behind the Bucs at the time and I could see the whole field if you know what I mean). It was a simple 3 receiver set and they put one wideout in motion going right to left setting up in the slot. First play, first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Second play first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Third play, Keyshawn fakes that he will turn around goes to the post and gets a 41 yard TD ("covered" by Bowen). I was beside myself.

I don't think that a lot of people realize how far they have come in two years. The defense under Spurrier made you want to throw up.

didnt we have marvin lewis and a top 5 defense one year spurrier was here?

Pocket$ $traight · 01-24-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

didnt we have marvin lewis and a top 5 defense one year spurrier was here?

Not the second year when they played the bucs.

EXoffender · 01-24-2006, 02:18 PM

Give both the ax! We can do better in FA or the draft. It's all about what Greg Williams wants out of that position.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-24-2006, 02:21 PM

According to ESPN.com:

Washington defense was 5th in 2002 and 25th in 2003.

That's quite a drop off over one year.

Big C · 01-24-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

According to ESPN.com:

Washington defense was 5th in 2002 and 25th in 2003.

That's quite a drop off over one year.

my point was that we had good defense the one year we had lewis and spurrier, so trotter was in a good defense

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-24-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

my point was that we had good defense the one year we had lewis and spurrier, so trotter was in a good defense

I know. I'm just shocked at how there was such a drop off over one year.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-24-2006, 02:44 PM

That was Warrick Holdman. I really WOULD love to see another LB step up, "just in case".

SmootSmack · 01-24-2006, 02:45 PM

2006 is the year of Campbell....Khary Campbell!!!!

jdlea · 01-24-2006, 02:48 PM

I know Warrick Holdman was playing poorly, I'm just pointing out that it seems like a lot of people on this site have a tendency to try to find any play that LaVar misses and point it out and use that as a reason why he shouldn't be on the team. It's aggravating that it doesn't happen to anyone else. It bugs me when people downplay the impact he had against the Bucs. I said that day that without LaVar and Sean Taylor, they lose that game. I believe that. LaVar had a great game that day, he didn't play poorly all year. If you want to make the case that he's overpaid, I'll listen, but I get sick of people acting like he can't play.

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Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 49 Posts: 4,261	Re: Clemons or Arrington? Well if the guy was a two time pro-bowler before he got here and a two time pro-bowler after he played here do you blame the player or the coaches. Given the swiss cheese "defenses" under Spurrier, I would blame the coaches. I remember going to the Tampa Bay game when they still had Keyshawn. The Bucs ran the same play three times in a row (I was literally in the last row behind the Bucs at the time and I could see the whole field if you know what I mean). It was a simple 3 receiver set and they put one wideout in motion going right to left setting up in the slot. First play, first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Second play first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Third play, Keyshawn fakes that he will turn around goes to the post and gets a 41 yard TD ("covered" by Bowen). I was beside myself. I don't think that a lot of people realize how far they have come in two years. The defense under Spurrier made you want to throw up.

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TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Clemons or Arrington? According to ESPN.com: Washington defense was 5th in 2002 and 25th in 2003. That's quite a drop off over one year. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Clemons or Arrington? That was Warrick Holdman. I really WOULD love to see another LB step up, "just in case". __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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01-24-2006, 02:48 PM	#15
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Clemons or Arrington? I know Warrick Holdman was playing poorly, I'm just pointing out that it seems like a lot of people on this site have a tendency to try to find any play that LaVar misses and point it out and use that as a reason why he shouldn't be on the team. It's aggravating that it doesn't happen to anyone else. It bugs me when people downplay the impact he had against the Bucs. I said that day that without LaVar and Sean Taylor, they lose that game. I believe that. LaVar had a great game that day, he didn't play poorly all year. If you want to make the case that he's overpaid, I'll listen, but I get sick of people acting like he can't play.

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