Supreme Court vacancy

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But the Republicans had to know the risk based on all the polling was much larger for them. In fact the Democrats probably loved the thought that HRC would put a replacement candidate up, and the Republicans would have no out on it.



Seems like the major risk was on the Republican side.

No doubt, the risk paid off, and the Dems slept on Trump and lost bigly

[CRedskinsRule]

I'm just saying that the whole scenario as laid out doesn't make logical sense, unless you assume one of our top 9 justices is corrupt. If someone wants to lay out the thought process in a coherent manner I would really appreciate it.

Mooby has presented the very plausible idea that Mueller's probe is looking into Deutsche Bank ties with Trump to Russia, where Russia then exerts influence over Trump and Trump in turn has been acting on it rather than using the full power of the US to stop it. Ok. If evidence is turned up proving this, then Trump should be impeached.

So let's assume that this (or something of this nature) is the underpinning of all of the Trump investigation and that Trump is indeed worried there is something there. Then Trump would have it as a goal to get a Justice on the court to go along with protecting him. OK, so if you then assume that Kennedy's son is not only privvy to shady dealings but implicit in them, that would give you a path to get from Trump/Russia to Trump/Kennedy.


BUT at this point, even if ALL of that is true, you have to then say we have a respected SC Justice who is willing to be complicit in this by peacefully resigning, instead of using his immense authority and powers and/or notifying the ongoing special prosecutor, with the direct purpose of allowing corruption to continue in the presidency and by saying who he thinks would best go along with it, in the SC as well.

Somewhere I am missing a logical connection that makes the thread substantive. I don't for a minute accept the idea that Justice Kennedy would sacrifice the SC and his own legacy for a President, especially if he believed that President to be corrupt.

[SunnySide]

RBG has passed away. Rest In Peace.

[SunnySide]

I guess any political pissing can go here and keep the RIP thread just condolences.

Mitch is going to Mitch. If the dems can’t stop it, they can’t stop it. But there is a price to be paid. This would be the final nail in civil democracy and decorum. The future generations are going to be majority Democrat. In 20 years even Texas will be blue or at least tightly contested. You can steal a SC seat now but within my lifetime, it will be Dems controlling the legis and executive for decades to come.

Older white people and rural whites are a decreasing demographic. Democrat voters are only rising. It’s inevitable. 10 to 20 years from now republicans can whine but statesmanship was killed by McConnell.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I guess any political pissing can go here and keep the RIP thread just condolences.

Mitch is going to Mitch. If the dems can’t stop it, they can’t stop it. But there is a price to be paid. This would be the final nail in civil democracy and decorum. The future generations are going to be majority Democrat. In 20 years even Texas will be blue or at least tightly contested. You can steal a SC seat now but within my lifetime, it will be Dems controlling the legis and executive for decades to come.

Older white people and rural whites are a decreasing demographic. Democrat voters are only rising. It’s inevitable. 10 to 20 years from now republicans can whine but statesmanship was killed by McConnell.

That coffin is already nailed up. If the other part is true, that's actually an argument to try to cram one down now. And pick the youngest candidate to boot because we might never get a chance to appoint one again.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I guess any political pissing can go here and keep the RIP thread just condolences.



Mitch is going to Mitch. If the dems can’t stop it, they can’t stop it. But there is a price to be paid. This would be the final nail in civil democracy and decorum. The future generations are going to be majority Democrat. In 20 years even Texas will be blue or at least tightly contested. You can steal a SC seat now but within my lifetime, it will be Dems controlling the legis and executive for decades to come.



Older white people and rural whites are a decreasing demographic. Democrat voters are only rising. It’s inevitable. 10 to 20 years from now republicans can whine but statesmanship was killed by McConnell.

This assumes an inaccurate detail. That race determines politics. When people see the devastation of liberal financial policies and as conservatives shed their outdated social policies the balance will shift again. That is the pendulumn of politics and it will always happen. I will be glad when race is no longer a tool that dems use to separate us.

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This assumes an inaccurate detail. That race determines politics. When people see the devastation of liberal financial policies and as conservatives shed their outdated social policies the balance will shift again. That is the pendulumn of politics and it will always happen. I will be glad when race is no longer a tool that dems use to separate us.

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Exactly...spot on.

Especially the fact democratic policies have a poor track record within the minority communities they govern...when you ask why, they have no answer. You are starting to see Conservatives outreach to black candidates there, it’s refreshing to see libs quiet with these candidates because when you have equal footing on identity politics, then you have to actually speak policy and ideas. Democrats should have to answer for their records within the shitholes they govern.

[Chico23231]

Cry some more lib

[SunnySide]

Lol many will ... I’m okay. If Mitch can get it in, he can get it in.

[CRedskinsRule]

Personally for the country sake, and his reelection chance Trump should put forth his candidate ask Biden to do the same, and ask the senate to wait until january. By making the election about the SC he will have an energized base and the liberals will be divided over who there nominee should pick.

And, by taking the high road of waiting, the country will hopefully accept the outcome in January more easily.

While a conservative in this seat would cement the majority for a long time having a moderate liberal which is who Biden would have to put forth, it would still keep or shift the balance to the right some.

But Trump is likely going to name someone, and the Senate Republicans will screw it up by attacking each other rather than looking at the long game.

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[SunnySide]

CRED - race is a part of it. But also gender and age. Each year the dem base grows, the republican base shrinks. Republicans tried to shred their outdated social platform leading up to 2016 ... then trump happened.

I personally wish someone like Kasich or Paul Ryan would step forward and steer the Republican Party back to center. I’m 42 and I should be morphing into a republican but I just can’t get on board with a Trump train wreck or a Ted Cruz or a Tom cotton. If they guys follow trump, lots of 40 and 50 something educated won’t be switching over.

The Republican Party is literally dying. They usually only lead in white voters but even that is changing.

You can’t defend a guy like trump then expect independents or educated people to join.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...raphic-groups/

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

CRED - race is a part of it. But also gender and age. Each year the dem base grows, the republican base shrinks. Republicans tried to shred their outdated social platform leading up to 2016 ... then trump happened.



I personally wish someone like Kasich or Paul Ryan would step forward and steer the Republican Party back to center. I’m 42 and I should be morphing into a republican but I just can’t get on board with a Trump train wreck or a Ted Cruz or a Tom cotton. If they guys follow trump, lots of 40 and 50 something educated won’t be switching over.



The Republican Party is literally dying. They usually only lead in white voters but even that is changing.



You can’t defend a guy like trump then expect independents or educated people to join.



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...raphic-groups/

I am fine with the republican party dying but the values of fiscal conservatism (obviously Trump is not that) wont so at some point a party without the race/gender stigma that supports non liberal/socialist platforms will take hold either under a republican banner or like the WFT under a name not yet known.

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[SunnySide]

Devastation of liberal financial policies??

Come on c red .... that’s laughable considering what Trump has done btw tarriffs requiring huge bailouts for farmers (bigger than Obama during the recession created by bush), sky rocketing deficit accrues during a time of good growth economy ... trumps gdp is average compared to what it should be .. tax reform intentionally targeting blue states ...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Devastation of liberal financial policies??



Come on c red .... that’s laughable considering what Trump has done btw tarriffs requiring huge bailouts for farmers (bigger than Obama during the recession created by bush), sky rocketing deficit accrues during a time of good growth economy ... trumps gdp is average compared to what it should be .. tax reform intentionally targeting blue states ...

Trump is not a fiscal conservative. What his policies show is that if there is not a viable sane economic party we will be headed the way of argentina.

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Trump is not a fiscal conservative. What his policies show is that if there is not a viable sane economic party we will be headed the way of argentina.

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His policies. Thats funny. His policies. Hahahaha.